X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Mailer: exmh version 2.7.2 01/07/2005 (debian 1:2.7.2-18) with nmh-1.3 X-Exmh-Isig-CompType: repl X-Exmh-Isig-Folder: inbox To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Subject: Re: [geda-user] Re: I won't do BGA's In-reply-to: References: <1486241a-88b7-4c8d-8354-ded392eadf96 AT email DOT android DOT com> <4EC9CE99 DOT 5040303 AT industromatic DOT com> <4ED27309 DOT 6030100 AT ecosensory DOT com> <20111127231842 DOT 3FD9B81F6262 AT turkos DOT aspodata DOT se> <4ED30BB2 DOT 8030301 AT ecosensory DOT com> <20111128075947 DOT F0D6681F6266 AT turkos DOT aspodata DOT se> <4ED36081 DOT 5080507 AT ecosensory DOT com> Comments: In-reply-to Bob Paddock message dated "Mon, 28 Nov 2011 10:07:20 -0500." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Message-Id: <20111129210259.24C1E81F626D@turkos.aspodata.se> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 22:02:58 +0100 (CET) From: karl AT aspodata DOT se (Karl Hammar) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Errors-To: nobody AT delorie DOT com X-Mailing-List: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Unsubscribes-To: listserv AT delorie DOT com Precedence: bulk Bob Paddock: > On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 5:20 AM, John Griessen wrote: > > On 11/28/2011 01:59 AM, Karl Hammar wrote: > > [Don't see Karl's message in my email.] > > >> I won't do BGA's > > BGA's are still better than LGA's or even QFN's. > > The latter are a nightmare to get the flux out from under if your aim > is ultralow current, and want a service life of years. > > Some parts, Accelerometers for example, leave you with few package options. An article ("Lokala föroreningar ger problem vid ytmontering") in "elektronik i norden" [1] references a report [2] where they have mounted QFN's 25, 50 and 75 um from the FR4 base. At 25um there was remains from all tested fluxes. At 50um water soluble and one of three "no-clean" fluxes left no traces At 75um no fluxes was left after washing The above is for PbSn. There is a reference to [3], which is said to show that with suitable layout one can get a stand-off distanse of 75-100um. Regards, /Karl Hammar [1] http://www.elinor.se/ [2] M. Bixenmann, M. Kontrd Cleaning for Reliability post QFN-rework SMTA Inernational Conference 2009 pp 766-781 [3] Dong Hyun Kim et al. Reliability Stydy and AF-modelling for SnAgCu- and PbSn-solder joints in QFN packages SMTA Journal, vol. 23, issue 1, 2010 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Aspö Data Lilla Aspö 148 S-742 94 Östhammar Sweden +46 173 140 57