X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-help-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-help AT delorie DOT com Message-ID: <20150503101117.32144.qmail@stuge.se> Date: Sun, 3 May 2015 12:11:17 +0200 From: "Peter Stuge (peter AT stuge DOT se)" To: geda-help AT delorie DOT com, geda-user AT delorie DOT com Subject: Re: [geda-help] listserv changes Mail-Followup-To: geda-help AT delorie DOT com, geda-user AT delorie DOT com References: <201505030357 DOT t433vTkx008899 AT envy DOT delorie DOT com> <201505030358 DOT t433wE7q008928 AT envy DOT delorie DOT com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <201505030357.t433vTkx008899@envy.delorie.com> <201505030358.t433wE7q008928@envy.delorie.com> Reply-To: geda-help AT delorie DOT com Errors-To: nobody AT delorie DOT com X-Mailing-List: geda-help AT delorie DOT com X-Unsubscribes-To: listserv AT delorie DOT com Precedence: bulk DJ Delorie (dj AT delorie DOT com) wrote: > There's not much else I can do given the strict rules There is: The mangling can (and should, arguably) be applied only for senders whose hosts actually publish a DMARC policy, not for everyone. The RFC, 7489, explains the DMARC background: "Over time, one-on-one relationships were established between select senders and receivers with privately communicated means to assert policy and receive message traffic and authentication disposition reporting." So large providers embraced and extended the email system, optimizing for their proprietary interests. And now it's an RFC. Not a standard. > mailing lists must now operate under. I see that very differently. Every list operator decides whether she wants to apply list-hostile restrictions or not. It's one thing that large providers only offer crippled email service to their customers. It's a completely different thing that a list operator chooses to implement the large provider policy for a whole list, when there are subscribers who have a completely different policy. I disagree with choosing the lowest common denominator, because it makes the mailing list experience worse for everyone, without a very compelling reason. I am of course willing to help improve your listserv, so that it only mangles email from hosts which actually publish a DMARC policy. Let me know. Thanks //Peter