X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-help-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-help AT delorie DOT com X-Original-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1643358800; bh=Tzhx9BRIAK4/5GyslXPVJObEOTHWtf5njaJDMnoY06o=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Date:Subject:To:References:From:In-Reply-To; b=D19DLeddnohiY2/NJrDdtVc1CQ87ygEmVf0bYYuU/hIEstq6urFOlXBzsQ3/vHCyE MFWqAmQBmn7MWGprpH4004b1131+LVybOLh4I2WsYIRR4baA7qpkFiV25Xw/IXukPL YhlusUPaAh6i/dtyW0PdoCFW1tzf5LmYqhYWK5yc= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Message-ID: <090135c7-163a-1cd3-aa73-eed87c3bf256@gmx.de> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2022 09:33:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/91.3.0 Subject: Re: [geda-help] geda pcb: footprint with non rectangular pads Content-Language: en-US To: geda-help AT delorie DOT com References: <495872f6-0679-512e-4699-bec292f8da70 AT gmx DOT de> From: "Klaus Rudolph (lts-rudolph AT gmx DOT de) [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com]" In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:t3BqfeWCdYO5bGpsV0K/opm1lXgc6ownyu9XayomJG+UDrL5S20 zIAS+dzuJ/091CeDnXCw/2XwLK4O0DPvtR6CsDVJ3qZHf6In8kD38V0frtmBpf/GgRUddlY Y9Y1YcK5SxO9oo/sDKDZikVhgcT9aMbrVeu2h7Ktqp0dcmT0EGkPgcSajX/GrPdklwAhN9U VhshqBZ/s8u83QkV/I18A== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:erzJu7mfSI8=:fHZOTXZdgv5IgTBf47/om/ 81SD7Jt9w6POUd3kQfbEarj0MGyzOJv99Wm8eemG0PgYTFeuk0wHaWh6KRRU8jr6w2FeWIAfq waeHOYLsJkmFZ4bMWQhDaiof/QbHt9XGVUHAtF4eAK0KB/G1vCtpasFpad6wHqjdbNqZviHT9 a5XRVKdrAwxUj8cSkwiI6/bh9fL0w0Gr58Gfc7E5yIC5dubWtY369eztrpjKOkI8+mZrdVPvO d59+QlMWXt0uSALyRgZkPDLqLCQk5j1TDxlZXEAW8icyEyfUq9G/LQ1sxWAqvWNTgul/rmtGL 3EtlT8AxZSan9AzSkQAkaU2cMblOtI3SvZhpDaTx4Ap8QjCYP2L78DHHRGr8AJuJcmCWfwKKK KZhdejRY8jbZqcGIkKTJK0AIfIRNfpu4y00UqLWj4RxzIATt0ZlR/P0wsX2gwtxg/JRI+uyBn g0iSAehnDmZM86F+OT4msyMRfV1auN46q/IeJaVG+lv1AJIYz1DwJiTiUPqUOgl9DLy7ddHr/ ztB0qZcV0V6pFPRjZxX6+Js6zCyEYS2zH9q+LlZxhnxHiLLeeEUwM2Dq0zLqYLIxXwiluJSSC FOBTe2pFba8O0QKjhdfJaFsYbU2kFj7u79np/RBkkwp5UMqFgzOU9hTLk6uZ0dUT/KOGt61NU XOfBeGTccqYn+2b2hQNaTPvtI3avxWAQauIDIPPONLfjGcmPqENGLxkHK7HpD8Pls492O/TmJ q0lkZwn//97eehSu9OeeyaPb/Kml3hly5LcKa9Zuoibz1bEwmHyEZMTh+oB/VK7iRfV4SGeCs UA08PS3z0DbqXTCRzjVV4b9jiGzSk4XKpMiG9Bxgpehe/UUJ6L2+FuIyuU1nVA98NdYBPzMA4 +hmmKNkO/F8cIkybQdvvmZ+NPpvL9Cv11H7Gybwa1KDQ2h4mAZ3E7FGqionndlZVqBCKKBZo4 yxKGkb5nh4gJ+rjfoeZZ4/WXCfzPJMJQ9n239MJd1FcK207+nIUFK9SaUsXlDWvIss9Ax+UY3 PLnMb2A1nFwGhYH/5PRsTqdnZIU+eTL4/nBalbr1c4tPce773N4AdHCEJLn0NnsCK/ebonQVV yQ8y5/cHd5Y0EY= Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by delorie.com id 20S8XQj3006974 Reply-To: geda-help AT delorie DOT com Errors-To: nobody AT delorie DOT com X-Mailing-List: geda-help AT delorie DOT com X-Unsubscribes-To: listserv AT delorie DOT com Precedence: bulk Hi Erich, thanks for pointing me to the land patters from Microchip. Most of them are simply rectangle and I can simply draw them. That makes, in the moment, any further research unnecessary. Thank you very much! Klaus Am 27.01.22 um 11:02 schrieb Erich Heinzle (a1039181 AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com]: > There appears to be a range of recommended land patterns for the VQFN > 20 3.0x3.0.0.9 mm Microchip ICs. > > https://www.microchip.com/en-us/support/package-drawings > > Some of them have rectangular pads. > > If you want to have arbitrary polygons in footprints, you may wish to > implement the footprint in pcb-rnd, as it allows a polygons to be > drawn and used as the copper shape in a custom padstack. You will not > be able to successfully export the footprint to gEDA PCB as there is > no internal support in gEDA PCB for polygonal SMD pads. > > Similarly, pcb-rnd allows custom polygons to be specified for the > various apertures, i.e. soldermask, stencil, etc, or they can be > autogenerated in the padstack property editor. > > translate2geda has to skip non rectangular or circular polygonal pads > when converting to gEDA PCB because there is no easy way to draw the > polygonal pad shapes. > > It is worth mentioning the tutorial > > http://www.penguin.cz/~utx/pstoedit-pcb/ > > which shows conversion of pdf or postscript land patterns to gEDA PCB > footprints using the pstoedit utility. > > As of version 3.76, pstoedit also supports export to pcb-rnd's native > footprint format, allowing to export paths as well as polygons. > > http://www.calvina.de/pstoedit/changelog.htm > > Regards, > > Erich. > > On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 6:20 PM Klaus Rudolph (lts-rudolph AT gmx DOT de) > [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com] wrote: >> >> I want to create a board with a VQFN 20 package which has non >> rectangular pads. >> >> A detailed drawing can be seen here: >> https://ww1.microchip.com/downloads/en/DeviceDoc/ATtiny806_1606_Data_Sheet_40002029A.pdf >> Section 34.2 20-Pin VQFN >> >> As you can see, the pads at the corner have a non rectangular shape. >> >> I read http://pcb.geda-project.org/pcb-cvs/pcb.html#Library-Creation >> and there was mentioned: >> >> 10.2.1 Creating Newlib Footprints >> "Currently a rectangle or polygon may not be used as a pad." >> >> Is there any chance to create a footprint for PCB for VQFN-20 as given >> in the above linked data sheet with non rectangular pads? >> >> Thanks >> Klaus >>