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Ruch (gw DOT ruch AT yahoo DOT com) [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com]" Message-ID: <9e3c5c87-0b21-6b70-ebc2-63e936d93a83@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2019 08:37:38 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------5D0C7DB4E08AC605A1564FD7" Content-Language: en-US Reply-To: geda-help AT delorie DOT com Errors-To: nobody AT delorie DOT com X-Mailing-List: geda-help AT delorie DOT com X-Unsubscribes-To: listserv AT delorie DOT com Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------5D0C7DB4E08AC605A1564FD7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Torben: I typically accept the defaults.?? Since I usually only manually drill PCBs, I generally do not pay too much attention. I use /*pcb*/, and if your /*pcb-gtk*/ is using the same user input, hovering the cursor over the hole and pressing just /*s */should increase the /*size*/ of the annular copper ring.?? (Seemingly without altering the hole diameter)?? Pressing just /*k */will adjust the /*klearance*/ (/sic/) You might find the YouTube video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6O817_G9VE interesting as he alters the sizes of vias, and I can do the same with DIP socket pins. Hope this helps. On 8/7/19 6:18 AM, Torben Friis (friistf AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com] wrote: > Hi Glen, > Anyway, it works. > I am trying to change drill size for a pin in PCB. I have tried > :ChangeSize(SelectedPins, +2000) (how do I select a pin?) and Alt+s > while I place the crossed lines on a pin, but nothing changes. > If I succeed in changing the?? drill size (which by the way is called > drill width), will the other dimensions (annular, etc) stay unchanged)? > best regards > torben > > On Mon, Aug 5, 2019 at 1:38 PM Glen W. Ruch (gw DOT ruch AT yahoo DOT com > ) [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com > ] > wrote: > > Torben: > > I am not seeing the issue.?? Probably because I did not receive > Saturday's message with the attachment. > > At this point I cannot tell if you are installing from your > distro's repositories or cloning the github for local compiling. > > If compiling locally, there are quite a number of -devel files > that must be installed from your distro's repository before you > can start the build process. > > Hope this helps > > On 8/5/19 5:43 AM, Torben Friis (friistf AT gmail DOT com > ) [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com > ] wrote: >> Hi Erich and Glen, >> >> I have run the geda:gsch2pcb_tutorial again and I get the same >> result. >> I have installed gtk2.0 (sudo apt-get install gtk2.0) and have >> packages: >> >> ii ??gtk-update-ico 3.22.30-1ubu amd64 ?? ?? ?? ??icon theme >> caching utility >> ii ??gtk2-engines-m 0.98.2-2ubun amd64 ?? ?? ?? ??cairo-based >> gtk+-2.0 theme engine >> ii ??gtk2-engines-p 2.24.32-1ubu amd64 ?? ?? ?? ??pixbuf-based >> theme for GTK+ 2.x >> ii ??gtk2.0-example 2.24.32-1ubu amd64 ?? ?? ?? ??example files >> for GTK+ 2.0 >> >> and: >> >> ii ??pcb ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ??1:4.0.2-4 ?? ??all ?? ?? ?? ?? >> ??printed circuit board (pcb) desig >> ii ??pcb-common ?? ?? 1:4.0.2-4 ?? ??all ?? ?? ?? ?? ??printed >> circuit board (pcb) desig >> ii ??pcb-gtk ?? ?? ?? ??1:4.0.2-4 ?? ??amd64 ?? ?? ?? ??printed >> circuit board (pcb) desig >> ii ??pcb-lesstif ?? ??1:4.0.2-4 ?? ??amd64 ?? ?? ?? ??printed >> circuit board (pcb) desig >> >> The board.pcb file starts: >> >> torben AT torben-Aspire-E5-773G:~/gaf/myproject1$ cat board.pcb >> # release: pcb 1.99x >> # To read pcb files, the pcb version (or the cvs source date) >> must be >= the file version >> FileVersion[20070407] >> PCB["" 600000 500000] >> Grid[10000.000000 0 0 0] >> Cursor[0 0 0.000000] >> PolyArea[200000000.000000] >> Thermal[0.500000] >> DRC[1000 1000 1000 1000 1500 1000] >> Flags("nameonpcb,uniquename,clearnew,snappin") >> Groups("1,c:2:3:4:5:6,s:7:8") >> Styles["Signal,1000,3600,2000,1000:Power,2500,6000,3500,1000:Fat,4000,6000,3500,1000:Skinny,600,2402,1181,600"] >> Element(0x00 "TO92" "Q201" "2N3904" 0 0 0 100 0x00) >> ( >> Pin(250 200 72 42 "1" 0x101) >> . >> . >> . >> >> Can you see anything wrong? >> It's a real mystery. >> best regards >> torben >> >> On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 4:46 PM Torben Friis > > wrote: >> >> Hi Erich and Glen, >> I have started from scratch (uninstalling - installing >> gEDA,?? restarting the computer.) without using sudo and I >> have installed gtk (sudo apt install gtk+3.0) and the result >> is shown in the attached screen dump. >> Same result, but there is something about gtk that I may have >> misunderstood. >> best regards >> torben >> >> On Fri, Aug 2, 2019 at 8:07 AM Glen W. Ruch >> (gw DOT ruch AT yahoo DOT com ) [via >> geda-help AT delorie DOT com ] >> > wrote: >> >> P.S. >> You may also want to do a *ls -l *(list -long) to see how >> many files still belong to you and how many belong to root. >> >> You may want to *sudo chown* to move the files back to >> the correct owner. >> >> On my computer there is a difference between the user >> default permissions and root's default permissions.?? You >> may want to correct the permissions with *sudo chmod* >> >> Regards. >> >> >> On 8/1/19 4:34 PM, Glen W. Ruch (gw DOT ruch AT yahoo DOT com >> ) [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com >> ] wrote: >>> >>> Torben: >>> >>> You should not have to use /*sudo*/ /*(SuperUser DO) >>> */as this elevates you from your user level (torben) to >>> root user. >>> >>> This may be causing issues where you are saving files as >>> user /*torben*/, but when you become root, root's >>> directory may be checked for the file. >>> >>> sudo is a dangerous tool and is meant to be used for >>> specific uses such as installing software.?? Using it >>> excessively can cause a typo to have catastrophic >>> consequences.?? When your computer is configured >>> correctly you should be able to run /*gschem*/ or >>> /*pcb*/ (etc.) with your own user (torben) level privileges. >>> >>> Hope this helps. >>> >>> On 7/30/19 7:11 AM, Torben Friis (friistf AT gmail DOT com >>> ) [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com >>> ] wrote: >>>> Hi, >>>> Is Wilson's tutorial up-to-date? I run: >>>> >>>> torben AT torben-Aspire-E5-773G:~/gaf/myproject3$ sudo >>>> gsch2pcb project >>>> >>>> with 2 resistors and get: >>>> ---------------------------------- >>>> Done processing.?? Work performed: >>>> 2 file elements and 0 m4 elements added to board.pcb. >>>> >>>> Next step: >>>> 1.?? Run pcb on your file board.pcb. >>>> ?? ?? You will find all your footprints in a bundle >>>> ready for you to place >>>> ?? ?? or disperse with "Select -> Disperse all >>>> elements" in PCB. >>>> >>>> 2.?? From within PCB, select "File -> Load netlist >>>> file" and select >>>> ?? ?? board.net to load the netlist. >>>> >>>> 3.?? From within PCB, enter >>>> >>>> ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ??:ExecuteFile(board.cmd) >>>> >>>> ?? ?? to propagate the pin names of all footprints to >>>> the layout. >>>> >>>> I then run: >>>> torben AT torben-Aspire-E5-773G:~/gaf/myproject3$ sudo pcb >>>> board.pcb >>>> >>>> and get: >>>> File 'board.pcb' has no font information, using default >>>> font >>>> ?? >>>> I then get the rather empty looking screen shown attached. >>>> >>>> I can disperse the components and run the netlist, but >>>> when I run >>>> >>>> sudo :ExecuteFile(board.cmd) (or :ExecuteFile(board.cmd)) >>>> ??nothing happens >>>> >>>> Incidentally, when I run: >>>> >>>> sudo gschem one.sch >>>> >>>> the curser moves to the next line. It looks as if some >>>> input is expected. What? >>>> >>>> >>>> Can anyone help? >>>> best regards >>>> torben >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 3:04 PM Torben Friis >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi , >>>> I have been looking fo the above element, but I >>>> cannot find it. I have been looking for .../newlib >>>> and found it in two places, but neither one >>>> appeared to provide it. >>>> Is there anywhere else I can look for it? >>>> torben >>>> --------------5D0C7DB4E08AC605A1564FD7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Torben:

I typically accept the defaults.?? Since I usually only manually drill PCBs, I generally do not pay too much attention.

I use pcb, and if your pcb-gtk is using the same user input, hovering the cursor over the hole and pressing just s should increase the size of the annular copper ring.?? (Seemingly without altering the hole diameter)?? Pressing just k will adjust the klearance (sic)

You might find the YouTube video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6O817_G9VE interesting as he alters the sizes of vias, and I can do the same with DIP socket pins.

Hope this helps.

On 8/7/19 6:18 AM, Torben Friis (friistf AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com] wrote:
Hi Glen,
Anyway, it works.
I am trying to change drill size for a pin in PCB. I have tried :ChangeSize(SelectedPins, +2000) (how do I select a pin?) and Alt+s while I place the crossed lines on a pin, but nothing changes.
If I succeed in changing the?? drill size (which by the way is called drill width), will the other dimensions (annular, etc) stay unchanged)?
best regards
torben

On Mon, Aug 5, 2019 at 1:38 PM Glen W. Ruch (gw DOT ruch AT yahoo DOT com) [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com] <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:

Torben:

I am not seeing the issue.?? Probably because I did not receive Saturday's message with the attachment.

At this point I cannot tell if you are installing from your distro's repositories or cloning the github for local compiling.

If compiling locally, there are quite a number of -devel files that must be installed from your distro's repository before you can start the build process.

Hope this helps

On 8/5/19 5:43 AM, Torben Friis (friistf AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com] wrote:
Hi Erich and Glen,

I have run the geda:gsch2pcb_tutorial again and I get the same result.
I have installed gtk2.0 (sudo apt-get install gtk2.0) and have packages:

ii ??gtk-update-ico 3.22.30-1ubu amd64 ?? ?? ?? ??icon theme caching utility
ii ??gtk2-engines-m 0.98.2-2ubun amd64 ?? ?? ?? ??cairo-based gtk+-2.0 theme engine
ii ??gtk2-engines-p 2.24.32-1ubu amd64 ?? ?? ?? ??pixbuf-based theme for GTK+ 2.x
ii ??gtk2.0-example 2.24.32-1ubu amd64 ?? ?? ?? ??example files for GTK+ 2.0

and:

ii ??pcb ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ??1:4.0.2-4 ?? ??all ?? ?? ?? ?? ??printed circuit board (pcb) desig
ii ??pcb-common ?? ?? 1:4.0.2-4 ?? ??all ?? ?? ?? ?? ??printed circuit board (pcb) desig
ii ??pcb-gtk ?? ?? ?? ??1:4.0.2-4 ?? ??amd64 ?? ?? ?? ??printed circuit board (pcb) desig
ii ??pcb-lesstif ?? ??1:4.0.2-4 ?? ??amd64 ?? ?? ?? ??printed circuit board (pcb) desig

The board.pcb file starts:

torben AT torben-Aspire-E5-773G:~/gaf/myproject1$ cat board.pcb
# release: pcb 1.99x
# To read pcb files, the pcb version (or the cvs source date) must be >= the file version
FileVersion[20070407]
PCB["" 600000 500000]
Grid[10000.000000 0 0 0]
Cursor[0 0 0.000000]
PolyArea[200000000.000000]
Thermal[0.500000]
DRC[1000 1000 1000 1000 1500 1000]
Flags("nameonpcb,uniquename,clearnew,snappin")
Groups("1,c:2:3:4:5:6,s:7:8")
Styles["Signal,1000,3600,2000,1000:Power,2500,6000,3500,1000:Fat,4000,6000,3500,1000:Skinny,600,2402,1181,600"]
Element(0x00 "TO92" "Q201" "2N3904" 0 0 0 100 0x00)
(
Pin(250 200 72 42 "1" 0x101)
.
.
.

Can you see anything wrong?
It's a real mystery.
best regards
torben

On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 4:46 PM Torben Friis <friistf AT gmail DOT com> wrote:
Hi Erich and Glen,
I have started from scratch (uninstalling - installing gEDA,?? restarting the computer.) without using sudo and I have installed gtk (sudo apt install gtk+3.0) and the result is shown in the attached screen dump.
Same result, but there is something about gtk that I may have misunderstood.
best regards
torben

On Fri, Aug 2, 2019 at 8:07 AM Glen W. Ruch (gw DOT ruch AT yahoo DOT com) [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com] <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:

P.S.
You may also want to do a ls -l (list -long) to see how many files still belong to you and how many belong to root.

You may want to sudo chown to move the files back to the correct owner.

On my computer there is a difference between the user default permissions and root's default permissions.?? You may want to correct the permissions with sudo chmod

Regards.


On 8/1/19 4:34 PM, Glen W. Ruch (gw DOT ruch AT yahoo DOT com) [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com] wrote:

Torben:

You should not have to use sudo (SuperUser DO) as this elevates you from your user level (torben) to root user.

This may be causing issues where you are saving files as user torben, but when you become root, root's directory may be checked for the file.

sudo is a dangerous tool and is meant to be used for specific uses such as installing software.?? Using it excessively can cause a typo to have catastrophic consequences.?? When your computer is configured correctly you should be able to run gschem or pcb (etc.) with your own user (torben) level privileges.

Hope this helps.

On 7/30/19 7:11 AM, Torben Friis (friistf AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com] wrote:
Hi,
Is Wilson's tutorial up-to-date? I run:

torben AT torben-Aspire-E5-773G:~/gaf/myproject3$ sudo gsch2pcb project

with 2 resistors and get:
----------------------------------
Done processing.?? Work performed:
2 file elements and 0 m4 elements added to board.pcb.

Next step:
1.?? Run pcb on your file board.pcb.
?? ?? You will find all your footprints in a bundle ready for you to place
?? ?? or disperse with "Select -> Disperse all elements" in PCB.

2.?? From within PCB, select "File -> Load netlist file" and select
?? ?? board.net to load the netlist.

3.?? From within PCB, enter

?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ??:ExecuteFile(board.cmd)

?? ?? to propagate the pin names of all footprints to the layout.

I then run:
torben AT torben-Aspire-E5-773G:~/gaf/myproject3$ sudo pcb board.pcb

and get:
File 'board.pcb' has no font information, using default font
??
I then get the rather empty looking screen shown attached.

I can disperse the components and run the netlist, but when I run

sudo :ExecuteFile(board.cmd) (or :ExecuteFile(board.cmd))
??nothing happens

Incidentally, when I run:

sudo gschem one.sch

the curser moves to the next line. It looks as if some input is expected. What?


Can anyone help?
best regards
torben


On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 3:04 PM Torben Friis <friistf AT gmail DOT com> wrote:
Hi ,
I have been looking fo the above element, but I cannot find it. I have been looking for .../newlib and found it in two places, but neither one appeared to provide it.
Is there anywhere else I can look for it?
torben
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