Hi Erich,

I have had to install the newest versio= n of Ubuntu - it has taken some time to figure out that it was necessary..<= /font>

torben

On M= on, Jul 22, 2019 at 2:10 PM Erich Heinzle (a1039181 AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com] <ge= da-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:

Two possible errors come to mind.=

If you look at the temp= lates i linked to previously, you can see how PCB is told about the element= directory, which in your case will be "pcb-elements", by the var= ious ....rc files, and check that yours are set up right.

You also need to ensure you have the foot= print attributes attached to your device symbols in the schematic, as previ= ously described, or PCB will not know which footprints are needed when pars= ing the netlist

Regards,=

Erich.

On Mon= , 22 Jul 2019 20:55 Torben Friis (friistf AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-help@= delorie.com], <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
Hi Erich,
That helped a lot!
I now have:

ls /home/torben/gaf/gschem-sym
2_SCREW_CONNECTOR.sym =C2=A03_SCREW= _CONNECTOR.sym =C2=A0PICAXE-14M.sym
ls /home/torben= /gaf/pcb-elements
DIP14.fp =C2=A0mors_2p.fp =C2=A0mors_3p.fp
<= div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif= ;font-size:large">
For Add-Component I get:

>
local
> Basic devices
.
.
.

and when i double-click the empty space a= t the top, I get:

2_SC= REW_CONNECTOR.sym
3_SCREW_CONNECTOR.sym
PICAXE-14M

Now I am supposed to enter:

gschem one.sch

When I do I get error messages about a missing one.sch and the curser goe= s to the next line. Actually that is not surprising considering that that o= ne.sch does not yet exist.
When I then fill in the = schema and run /home/torben/gaf/myproject3/gsch2pcb project I get the error= message:

No elemen= ts found, so nothing to do.

I have saved one.sch so that is another surprise - can you help?
<= div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large" class= =3D"gmail_default">best regards
torben

<= br>

On Sun, = Jul 21, 2019 at 1:14 AM Erich Heinzle (a1039181 AT gmail DOT com) [= via geda-help AT delorie DOT com] <geda-help AT de= lorie.com> wrote:
Rather than learning to read the x and y = coordinates in=C2=A0
Pin[-20000 0 11810 2000 12= 610 4920 "0" "_1_" "square"] Pin[0 0 11810 2000 12610 4920 "0" "_2_" ""] Pin[20000 0 11810 2000 12610 4920 "0" "_3_" ""= ;]
The simplest thing is to open the footprint file in the layout editor= and use the cursor and or the measure function to determine distances.

If you want to learn about = the format, I recommend

= http://www.ssalewski.de/PcbFootprintRef.txt

Regards,

Erich

On Sun, 21 Jul 20= 19 06:37 Torben Friis (friistf AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com], <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
Hi Erich,
Where do I find the hole spacing and t= he hole size in you fp:

Element["" "N MORS 3P " "" ""= ; 0 0 0 -23000 0 100 ""] ( ElementLine[-30000 18000 -30000 14000 1000] ElementLine[-30000 14000 30000 14000 1000] ElementLine[30000 14000 30000 18000 1000] ElementLine[30000 18000 -30000 18000 1000] ElementLine[-30000 -18000 -30000 -15000 1000] ElementLine[-30000 -18000 30000 -18000 1000] ElementLine[30000 -18000 30000 -15000 1000] ElementLine[-30000 15000 -30000 -15000 1000] ElementLine[30000 15000 30000 -15000 1000] Pin[-20000 0 11810 2000 12610 4920 "0" "_1_" "squa= re"] Pin[0 0 11810 2000 12610 4920 "0" "_2_" ""] Pin[20000 0 11810 2000 12610 4920 "0" "_3_" ""= ;] )
best regards
torben

=
On Sat, Ju= l 20, 2019 at 2:25 PM Erich Heinzle (a1039= 181 AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-help AT delor= ie.com] <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
Good work on the file system.
<= br>
I usually create a project directory and put my = usual/frequently used footprints in the packages or fp subdirectory, depend= ing on the naming convention in the template being used.

The main thing is to ensure that the=C2=A0= screw terminals you are using are spaced 0.2 inches apart. The hole and an= nulus sizes can be easily modified in the layout editor, but pin spacing is= harder to modify in an existing footprint. You should always check that fo= otprints you source from elsewhere have sane annuli and hole sizes before s= ending off the board for fabrication.

You are right, any three pin symbol can map to a three pin fo= otprint, provided that the pin labels on the footprint are sane. Sometimes = imported symbols like the one you mention need to have the pin name changed= to "1" instead of "_1_" etc... To make the netlist beh= ave when imported into the layout editor.

Regards,

Erich

On Sat, 20 Jul 2019 19:22= Torben Friis (friistf AT gmail DOT com) [via = geda-help AT delorie DOT com], <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
=
Hi Erich Hein= zle,
I solved the immediate problem by changing the file system to:.
=

/home/torben/gaf/gschem-sym
/home/torben/gaf/pcb-elements
/ho= me/torben/.gEDA/gafrc
(cat /home/torben/.gEDA/gafrc
(component-librar= y-search "/home/torben/gaf/gschem-sym")

but I will setup m= y system as you have set up yours.

I need to have some screw termina= ls set up and I found yours:

/user/erich_heinzle/kicad/footprints/w_= conn_screw.mod/mors_3p.fp

I could not find the corresponding sym fil= e. Is there one?

I suppose I can use any(!) sym file as long as I se= t footprint to mors_3p.fp in the sym file and enter /user/erich_heinzle/kic= ad/footprints/w_conn_screw.mod/mors_3p.fp in the /home/torben/gaf/pcb-eleme= nts file?

The pins in my screw terminals are =C3=B8 1 mm - is that O= K with mors_3p.fp (I dont know how to read a fp-file)?

best regards<= br>torben

On Sat, Jul 20, 2019 at 1:09 AM Erich Heinzle (a1039181 AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com] <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
=
Most users, myself included, set up a template, for a per= -project directory, which has the needed gafrc etc files, and subdirectorie= s with their local foorprints and symbols.

This keeps a given design safe from filesystem changes o= r changes to elements subsequently.

It also means that once set up, it doesn't need to be thoug= ht about much.

Here are = some examples on github which should show you how to aim the layout editor = at a partucular directory, i.e. "fp" or "packages" in t= hese examples

https://github.com/miloh= /gEDA-git-template

https://github.= com/nocko/gEDA-template

https://= github.com/wojciechk8/geda-sym

These examples should show you how it can be done

Erich.

On Sat, 20 Jul 2019 = 01:16 Torben Friis (friistf AT gmai= l.com) [via geda-help AT de= lorie.com], <geda-hel= p AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
Hi Erich Heinzie,
I think so. If I may reformul= ate it to show that I understand:
The PICAXE14M.sym file contains a stat= ement: footprint unknown. When I enter the symbol on the schematic I add th= e footprint attribute DIP14. The PCB program then picks it up from tha Symb= ol file and find the DIP14 footprint from /home/gaf/pcb-elements.

Th= en the files:
/home/gaf/gschem-sym
(ls /home/gaf/gschem-sym
PICAXE= -14M.sym)

/home/gaf/pcb-elements
(ls /home/gaf/pcb-elements
DI= P14.fp)

/home/.gEDA/gafrc
(cat /home/.gEDA/gafrc
(component-li= brary-search "/home/gaf/gschem-sym")

should do the job?
But then, when I have filled in the files, how do I make the PICAXE14M= .sym appear correctly in the add->component list?:

> Basic dev= ices
> Connectors (generic)
.
.
.

I want to understan= d the stuff completely and really appreciate your help.
best regards
= torben

On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 12:41 PM Erich Heinzle (a1039181 AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com] <geda-help= @delorie.com> wrote:
In general, gschem is unaware of footprint fi= le names, or the details of any other attributes you attach to a symbol fro= m a symbol library

The usual p= rocedure, after adding your symbol to the schematic from a library, is to a= dd an "attribute" to the symbol, in this case a "footprint&q= uot; attribute, equal to "DIP14"

The schematic file will end up with an ectra attribute w= ithin the picaxe instance, along the libes of

"footprint=3DDIP18"
=
The PCB layout editor, when you proceed to lay = out uour design, is the software that has an understanding of footprint att= ributes, and will search its library paths for a DIP18=C2=A0

Does that=C2=A0help?

Erich

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On Fri, 19 Jul 2019 18:51 Torben Friis (friistf AT gmail DOT com) [via = geda-help AT delorie= .com], <ge= da-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
Hi Erich Heinzie,
It should have been:
=

<= /div>
= /home/gaf/DIP14.fp

and
(component-library-search "/home/gaf/gschem-sy= m") in the /home/.gEDA/gafrc file

I still have the problem of hav= ing PICAXE14M not showing up in the libraries list.

When in http://www.gedasy= mbols.org/ i search for screw terminal I get a lot of .fp files, but no= .sym files. How should they be handled?
It is rather confusing.
=
best reg= ards
torben

On Thu, Jul 18, 2019 at 11:44 AM Torben F= riis <f= riistf AT gmail DOT com> wrote:
Hi Erich Heinzie,
After following your advice (= a long time ago) I have the following:

/home/gaf/gschem-sym/PICAXE-14M= .sym
/home/gaf/pcb-elements/SIP3.fp
(component-library-search "../gschem-sym&q= uot;) in the /home/.gEDA$/gafrc file

Should not PICAXE-14M show up in = Libraries when I click Add->Component in gEDA schmatic?
best regards
t= orben

On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 9:19 PM Erich Heinzle (a1039181 AT gmail DOT c= om) [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com] <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
http://www.gedasymbols.org/user/erich= _heinzle/symbols/PICAXE-14M.sym?dl

The above link will download the raw symbol file as a .sym for us= e in the gschem schematic editor

The DIP14 footprint required in the pcb layout editor will be a .= fp file and the raw file can be downloaded from

=
http://www.gedasymbols.org/foo= tprints/m4lib/DIP14.fp?dl

You can place the respective files in the same directory as your = schematic and pcb layout, but most people will use dedicated directories in= their project directory for symbols and for footprints.

Regards,

=
Erich

On Fri, 15 Feb 2019 02:34 Torben Friis (friistf AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-help AT delorie= .com] <geda-help AT delorie DOT com wrote:
Hi,
I found DIP14:<= /div>
=
torben AT torben-Aspire-E5-773G:~$ cat /home/torben/gEDAsym
http://www.gedasymbols.org/footprints/m4lib.cgi?geda= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 <here

h= ttp://www.gedasymbols.org/cvs.html

It looks different from your fi= le if I view it..

Where should I store the file you sent (if it is the= file I should store)?
torben

On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 3:26 P= M Chad Parker (parker DOT charles AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-help AT de= lorie.com] <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:

http://www.gedasymbols.org/user/erich_heinzle/symbols/PICAXE-14M.sym

It looks like the package is a 14-pin D= IP, so "DIP14" should work as the footprint.

Cheers,
--Chad

On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 9:11 AM Torben Friis (friistf AT gmail DOT com= ) [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com] <geda-help AT delorie DOT com&g= t; wrote:
Hi ,
I have been looking fo the above element, but I cannot find it. = I have been looking for .../newlib and found it in two places, but neither = one appeared to provide it.
Is there anywhere else I can look for it?
=
torbe= n