X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-help-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-help AT delorie DOT com X-Original-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=s5Bb94jpiB5w/ZLXwEjZskvr3i3K08rmfWr0WZCdZ78=; b=QMMFz6tYNvqbFV5MwYXm4ueN2K5MofL4UWNZxEtgtKi0lh8RnNqV/dJz+clmxSVIHV 5DBKnEvwxQQ8ze6xZVvn0h4spd0ntaNC44MrWE5rHKw6JZd5nXQyQdPVFYYzEkYJaW4P hJcdo6wTM5fIbtNblNI8UbyfE2DC3qYwh7c3D270ZyoaN6YgI4AQCwTPd4i26gQxlX8d bLyP1O3PowJOkXGngKruZOWfLKDPl1dl0kwrOPOJ5PJxIEi5MN8pVX0D5T/IiKlVLtqk Aa48NiFb9vvmrZum7vec1ycP3o4ricfku12dtxE2CQrpLr9/L1oaZfvGbgvU6FBcsSOA WN3Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=s5Bb94jpiB5w/ZLXwEjZskvr3i3K08rmfWr0WZCdZ78=; b=rppm0XaCg2CzrwO0iwvySosPOHSRtvJ50b98xOBDVwvfkEmeGcPJe1+01/fmEDrn6s yiyhwHeHuHD2xIdYquMq4qx1mvoN9BG0FeHhDH5gjOO0276HFvKfRIaq8Wx7LsWFLBgV BdWG3Sh64zNM/6WlFYo+s1F8nNjt0dxiQgm+Ibfx1OclD4k0HRdAMFaQ/R6LIjRWlOYd ngDiXGWGdkaQ2ELziNup7Bj2zbK3uTzNverpkXUdie/Or9ZfXOfrVH17L3gm8by9+lr7 15/HEH0HefQJimlBFSvpRQZ7OOxGyKpkHtIh2bfIDj5hx8GtJB0uZK0Xb0URbgHAa+ZF O0tA== X-Gm-Message-State: AA+aEWbbFT+TTpz551+lCtiDuL/H99VPM2I7zbRIx6QxjKNgCE2rDFLf 0Q84lzCJlDKnOSNq2i6V6nlJE/XphGZH8pcVdm3wWQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AFSGD/Xum/gt1jEjB5w8j/skQhCnfvM1tDegSW0JiaVBLf7hRh5fH2GAsGxAOw/pfVuuIQEXKjabeO7uy8pYNv3DzyE= X-Received: by 2002:a81:af43:: with SMTP id x3mr49342653ywj.281.1546525662836; Thu, 03 Jan 2019 06:27:42 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: "Torben Friis (friistf AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com]" Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2019 15:27:31 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [geda-help] Tutorial To: geda-help AT delorie DOT com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000c4fd7c057e8e90ef" Reply-To: geda-help AT delorie DOT com --000000000000c4fd7c057e8e90ef Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi Chad, Should I place R101, R102 and R103 together? And if I do, should'nt R103 have round terminal points at both ends? I assume that the square ones are to be connected to the GND. I am not an electronics expert. torben On Thu, Jan 3, 2019 at 2:13 PM Chad Parker (parker DOT charles AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com] wrote: > Torben- > > Okay, I see what you're referring to. This is a bug in the tutorial. It > looks to me like the first set of figures were created with an older > version of PCB and the other set with a newer one and a later date. What > likely happened is that the same circuit was used, but the schematic was > redrawn when the new figures were added, and because the parts would have > been arranged differently, the reference designators ended up changing. The > underlying circuit appears to be the same, just the names of the parts have > been swapped. You can even see that the footprint of R101 is different. > > Ultimately, the rat lines on your pcb should be consistent with the > connections you made in the schematic. So, as long as you connect your > parts accordingly, you should be fine. > > Thanks for pointing this out. We should fix it so that it's consistent. > > Thanks, > --Chad > > On Wed, Jan 2, 2019 at 5:36 PM Torben Friis (friistf AT gmail DOT com) [via > geda-help AT delorie DOT com] wrote: > >> Hi Chad, >> The link is: >> >> http://wiki.geda-project.org/geda:gsch2pcb_tutorial >> best regards >> torben >> >> On Wed, Jan 2, 2019 at 10:55 PM Chad Parker (parker DOT charles AT gmail DOT com) >> [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com] wrote: >> >>> Torben- >>> >>> Are you still working through the Bill Wilson tutorial? If so, I'm not >>> sure what you mean by page 6. Can you please provide a link to the tutorial >>> you're referring to? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> --Chad >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 2, 2019 at 3:44 PM Torben Friis (friistf AT gmail DOT com) [via >>> geda-help AT delorie DOT com] wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Chad, >>>> I am confused by the UBUNTU geda tutorial. >>>> In the beginning R101, R102 and R103 are placed together. On page 6 >>>> R102, R201 and R103 are placed together in the same place and R102 is >>>> placed where R201 was before. >>>> I have other problems - fx with lines created in PCB - but I would take >>>> one example to see if the confusion is my problem. >>>> torben >>>> >>>> On Sat, Dec 29, 2018 at 5:10 PM Torben Friis wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Chad, >>>>> I deleted all files except Project, one.sch and two.sch and ran >>>>> gsch2pcb once - and it worked. >>>>> torben >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Dec 26, 2018 at 11:11 PM Chad Parker (parker DOT charles AT gmail DOT com) >>>>> [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com] wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Torben- >>>>>> >>>>>> The second time you run gsch2pcb it looks at the differences. The >>>>>> first time it may not have picked up all of the elements due to footprint >>>>>> name errors. The second time (and all subsequent times) you run it, it >>>>>> produces board.*new*.pcb, which contains the new elements, so that >>>>>> it doesn't overwrite your original file. To get them into the layout, you >>>>>> have to do as it says: open the layout then go to the file menu, select >>>>>> "load layout data to paste buffer", and select board.new.pcb. Then you can >>>>>> paste them into the layout. >>>>>> >>>>>> Alternatively, if you haven't done any work on the pcb yet, you can >>>>>> delete board.pcb and board.new.pcb and rerun gsch2pcb. >>>>>> >>>>>> Also, make sure that you execute Select > Disperse All Elements, as >>>>>> sometimes the elements will overlap when they're brought into the layout. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> --Chad >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Dec 26, 2018 at 2:44 PM Torben Friis (friistf AT gmail DOT com) >>>>>> [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com] wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> It is rather confusing. When I run gsch2pcb project I get: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ---------------------------------- >>>>>>> Done processing. Work performed: >>>>>>> 5 file elements and 0 m4 elements added to board.new.pcb. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Next steps: >>>>>>> 1. Run pcb on your file board.pcb. >>>>>>> 2. From within PCB, select "File -> Load layout data to paste >>>>>>> buffer" >>>>>>> and select board.new.pcb to load the new footprints into your >>>>>>> existing layout. >>>>>>> 3. From within PCB, select "File -> Load netlist file" and select >>>>>>> board.net to load the updated netlist. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 4. From within PCB, enter >>>>>>> >>>>>>> :ExecuteFile(board.cmd) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> to update the pin names of all footprints. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> First it does not tally with the description given in the tutorial - >>>>>>> I am using the one that comes with Ubuntu. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Second, when I run pcb board.pcb I get only the transistor and the >>>>>>> resistor on the screen with a yellow line leading nowhere. Should'nt I get >>>>>>> both one.sch and two.sch? If I folllow the instructions above I add the >>>>>>> one.sch to the screen all bundled up. Both one.sch and two.sch appear to be >>>>>>> OK. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As I say, I am confused. >>>>>>> best ergards >>>>>>> torben >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 26, 2018 at 3:46 PM Torben Friis >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It worked. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 26, 2018 at 3:26 PM Chad Parker ( >>>>>>>> parker DOT charles AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com] < >>>>>>>> geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi Torben- >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Welcome to the community! Please feel free to post any questions >>>>>>>>> you may have. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I think the issue is that the CONNECTOR is no longer an m4 >>>>>>>>> element, so, it's not generating it the way the tutorial thinks it should. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Looking through the pcb element footprints, there is, however, a >>>>>>>>> footprint "CONNECTOR 1 2". I suspect that will serve for your purposes. >>>>>>>>> Please try changing "CONNECTOR 2 1" --> "CONNECTOR 1 2" and see if that >>>>>>>>> fixes it. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>> --Chad >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 26, 2018 at 7:00 AM Torben Friis (friistf AT gmail DOT com) >>>>>>>>> [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com] wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>>> This is my first attempt at using geda-help. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> When in the Bill Wilson gEDA tutorial I use: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> gsch2pcb project >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I get the following message in the log: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> CONN202: can't find PCB element for footprint CONNECTOR-2-1 >>>>>>>>>> (value=unknown). >>>>>>>>>> So device CONN202 will not be in the layout. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The attributes of the connector are. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> device: BNC >>>>>>>>>> footprint: CONNECTOR 2 1 >>>>>>>>>> refdes: CONN202 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I think that I have followed the instructions, so what is wrong? >>>>>>>>>> best regards >>>>>>>>>> torben >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> --000000000000c4fd7c057e8e90ef Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Chad,
Should= I place R101, R102 and R103 together? And if I do, should'nt R103 have= round terminal points at both ends? I assume that the square ones are to b= e connected to the GND.
I am not an electronics exp= ert.
torben

On Thu, Jan 3, 2019 at 2:13 PM Chad Parker (parker DOT charles AT gmail DOT com) [via= geda-help AT delorie DOT com] <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:=
Torben-

Okay, I see what you're referri= ng to. This is a bug in the tutorial. It looks to me like the first set of = figures were created with an older version of PCB and the other set with a = newer one and a later date. What likely happened is that the same circuit w= as used, but the schematic was redrawn when the new figures were added, and= because the parts would have been arranged differently, the reference desi= gnators ended up changing. The underlying circuit appears to be the same, j= ust the names of the parts have been swapped. You can even see that the foo= tprint of R101 is different.

Ultimately, the rat l= ines on your pcb should be consistent with the connections you made in the = schematic. So, as long as you connect your parts accordingly, you should be= fine.

Thanks for pointing this out. We should= fix it so that it's consistent.

Thanks,
--Chad

On Wed, Jan 2, 2019 at 5:36 PM Torben Friis (friistf AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com] <geda-help AT delorie DOT c= om> wrote:
Hi Chad,
The = link is:

b= est regards
torben

On Wed, Jan 2, 2019 at 10:55 PM Chad Parker = (parker.charl= es AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com] <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
Torben-

Are you still working through the Bill Wilson tutori= al? If so, I'm not sure what you mean by page 6. Can you please provide= a link to the tutorial you're referring to?

Thanks,
--Chad

<= div dir=3D"ltr">On Wed, Jan 2, 2019 at 3:44 PM Torben Friis (friistf AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com<= /a>] <geda-he= lp AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
Hi Chad,
I am confused by the UBUNTU geda tutorial.
In the beginning R101, R102 and R103 are placed together. On page 6=C2=A0 = R102, R201 and R103 are placed together in the same place and R102 is place= d where R201 was before.
I have other problems - fx= with lines created in PCB - but I would take one example to see if the con= fusion is my problem.
torben

On Sat, Dec 29, 2018 at 5:10 PM To= rben Friis <friis= tf AT gmail DOT com> wrote:
Hi Chad,
I deleted all files except Project, one.sch and two.sch and ran gsch2= pcb once - and it worked.
torben
On Wed, Dec 26, 2018 at 11:11 = PM Chad Parker (parker DOT charles AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com] <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
=
Hi Torben-

The second time you run gsch2pcb i= t looks at the differences. The first time it may not have picked up all of= the elements due to footprint name errors. The second time (and all subseq= uent times) you run it, it produces board.new.pcb, which contains th= e new elements, so that it doesn't overwrite your original file. To get= them into the layout, you have to do as it says: open the layout then go t= o the file menu, select "load layout data to paste buffer", and s= elect board.new.pcb. Then you can paste them into the layout.

Alternatively, if you haven't done any work on the pcb = yet, you can delete board.pcb and board.new.pcb and rerun gsch2pcb.

Also, make sure that you execute Select > Disperse All= Elements, as sometimes the elements will overlap when they're brought = into the layout.

Cheers,
--Chad
<= /div>


Hi,
It is rather confusing. When I run gs= ch2pcb project I get:


=
First it does not tally with the description given= in the tutorial - I am using the one that comes with Ubuntu.

Second, when I run pcb board.pcb I = get only the transistor and the resistor on the screen with a yellow line l= eading nowhere. Should'nt I get both one.sch and two.sch? If I folllow = the instructions above I add the one.sch to the screen all bundled up. Both= one.sch and two.sch appear to be OK.

As I say, I am confused.
best e= rgards
torben
=
On Wed, Dec 26, 2018 at 3:4= 6 PM Torben Friis <friistf AT gmail DOT com> wrote:
It worked.

On Wed, Dec 26, 2018= at 3:26 PM Chad Parker (parker DOT charles AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com] <geda-help AT delorie DOT com>= wrote:
Hi Torben-

Welcome to the community!= Please feel free to post any questions you may have.

I think the issue is that the CONNECTOR is no longer an m4 element,= so, it's not generating it the way the tutorial thinks it should.
=

Looking through the pcb element footprints, there= is, however, a footprint "CONNECTOR 1 2". I suspect that will se= rve for your purposes. Please try changing "CONNECTOR 2 1" -->= "CONNECTOR 1 2" and see if that fixes it.

Thanks,
--Chad




On Wed, Dec 26, 2018 at 7:00 AM Torben Friis (friistf AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com] <geda-help AT delorie DOT com= > wrote:
=
Hi,
This is my firs= t attempt at using geda-help.

When in the Bill Wilson gEDA tutorial = I use:

gsch2pcb project

I get the following message in the lo= g:

CONN202: can't find PCB element for footprint CONNECTOR-2-1 (= value=3Dunknown).
So device CONN202 will not be in the layout.

Th= e attributes of the connector are.

device: BNC
footprint: CONNECT= OR 2 1
refdes: CONN202

I think that I have followed the instructi= ons, so what is wrong?
best regards
torben
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