X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-help-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-help AT delorie DOT com X-Original-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=message-id:date:from:subject:to:references:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-disposition:content-transfer-encoding; bh=riCtiKm5oUgtZA+6TkKCWWk8fHWxKEcFfmcqoMyXz3E=; b=RsXl41+0lcFnkyopwCGmKoHOl7eiHApKR6SfWMdyio+Dbom7+ohhiKewjemWIYHboP 8oZIuTZir35AVR46weq1l8rD2VS7EEs418PgEMXcvE0gcyOixdCAyeXoLu7EzPMRIehd NHyuVl3RT2wYpi05+h48DoxC4fgZ4dtGyZZE3yY7eSuYRE1try/xTjZozBGhzCcJJc9W 8a7KGXOxXa8CSe6CZaBQsfsdGZvhHkkxrra67lU6qwDghNMtMcr1M8qqJjreMEESIdr/ 1K5lvKgba1s0EsEFTqhgwUnAIEHB1F8uHDy+byyzW2gvB582Ii0HiGI3vzWczNGCa/UT kq2A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:message-id:date:from:subject:to:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:content-disposition :content-transfer-encoding; bh=riCtiKm5oUgtZA+6TkKCWWk8fHWxKEcFfmcqoMyXz3E=; b=YQSTTyKEUTOwBphOVg5dfYpCuTMTqcE8Hj0TXL1xzx0mmZCbDOq38CsR5HM38gr0X3 sKpCgAH35zKnKziClO92LI2EKudmeJu0MzSHLFt7QzTGCFuIAsjA+5mSCAxyRtE8lfuM UYw+V/GB6TYYTyCmUntSt3QfTLkr4qCNIekFiz2VHcmxBz9TE09d397iWn+VrEDHZ4Px g0x/hKNQf1JR3wMjb/AEUsxf6SzS2sx0dXLDQoFDPz7/FG/0S32yCklLERxkIWrqwnHY szJn5Ac7Rvvpq8kVC8bu2BvMnDhYfYAaPmMb0a9k69vRtPsp6bp/IgMiEO1Aj0QlHz6a 8hjQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AKaTC00BGBxxJLxYhRm5PF/7zuhOG0s5hZanWKhT/sOSoatYwarE95qb26pt8nUD8ShwTQ== X-Received: by 10.84.212.2 with SMTP id d2mr11850359pli.24.1481927761432; Fri, 16 Dec 2016 14:36:01 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <58546c50.c624620a.290a2.6c85@mx.google.com> X-Google-Original-Message-ID: <1481927755 DOT 857 DOT 0 AT zotlet.(none)> Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2016 11:35:55 +1300 From: "Lilith Bryant (dark141 AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com]" Subject: Re: [geda-help] Orientation of components in X-Y (centroid) files To: geda-help AT delorie DOT com References: In-Reply-To: (from moreno+geda-help AT mochima DOT com on Sat Dec 17 10:02:33 2016) X-Mailer: Balsa 2.5.1-79-g9697477 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by delorie.com id uBGMa3b8002482 Reply-To: geda-help AT delorie DOT com On 2016-12-17 10:02:33 AM, Carlos Moreno wrote: > Hi, > > How do we define the angle (the orientation) in the X-Y or centroid > file? In particular, what is the convention / reference angle for 0 > degrees? > > I understand that from the point of view of the coordinates system, > zero degrees means along the x-axis. However, from the point of > view of the component, what is zero degrees? > > I would assume there are some universal conventions; for example, > for IC's, I suspect that zero degrees means the chip with pin 1 to > the top-left corner (does it indeed?). But for example, for a 0805 > surface-mount component --- does zero degrees mean width = 08 > and height = 05, or vice-versa? And in general, what is the rule? > > > Though I guess this is a question that the specific PCB manufacturers > should answer, I haven't gotten a straight answer from them, so I > figure you guys may share some insights based on your experience > with manufacturers? I made some changes a few years back, so it attempts to match the following spec: http://i.screamingcircuits.com/docs/understanding-the-centroid-file-r2-2.pdf In practice, I've never had a manufacturer spit back anything I've sent them. I suspect they get a wild mix of messed up files, and components in tapes on random angles, so they just eyeball everything and just go ahead and fix whatever is grossly wrong.