X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-help-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-help AT delorie DOT com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=H4ubT3cH9lPY/LOHFTLcq+skLVq1ISs0XdMJoeMzSSM=; b=LeVqF+n5/KbqqK44SA5B2crP2Ou3v+waGqqLjaQpaNlCGRM8Axaf6qMtggoqcpfoYh X/u+AG7y+YyLdOX5HeaJ5K8D1pDYh9W1rAvkd19LTHZnvoc6/D8qbbG3/DqwxyVcIROV JOqGU0tJH9IyYPCBHi6WZuBSy8ZBkJVn6OeDEODkThT82IcOmzI+nKjdbXPWHMjshxpV qHNvd6fM7D13414MeczRq1vzlr+68AgzgElU9vfhQB1hCYI/915C8BU6BuYbcE0hqxij HYeiTrrPLSnarD8EjDmZ+Jcu+tO14f3nq0g6FKXoOmn+KTIBM+/x+hoQbfSYtmHj90qL PYcw== X-Received: by 10.202.104.80 with SMTP id d77mr439968oic.4.1416191038874; Sun, 16 Nov 2014 18:23:58 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mike Bushroe Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2014 19:23:28 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: [geda-help] Still Stuck, or should I say Shorted To: geda-help AT delorie DOT com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1140faacce68f2050804abeb Reply-To: geda-help AT delorie DOT com --001a1140faacce68f2050804abeb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I finally got a new verisson of just the power section. Two full-wave block diodes, 4 voltage regulators, 8 different voltage output power forms without any cutting and pasting from the previous version. Used the GUI sch2pcb and looked at the message log and almost every net was shorted to almost every other net! Almost as bad as the full circuit was. So at least if I can fix it here maybe there won't be any other shorts. Yeah, famous last words. So I made local copies of the voltage regulators and added net definitions for the pin2 of each device. No joy, so I disconnect every voltage regulator from the circuit and run it again. Still all shorted, so I add pinlabel names to each output symbol to make sure they aren't doing it. No help. So I disconnect all of them too and run it again, still all shorts. I look at the netlist and it is short and sweet and no obvious shorts. So I made a temporary copy and deleted the 7805's and still no luck. It looked like every place that lines crossed they were shorting even if there was no yellow dot. So I deleted every line that overlapped. And still as many shorts. I deleted every single trace, every last bit of blue, and finally no shorts! I slowly add line again and very soon shorts appear again. After cutting back it looks like a mere 3 lines between the two full-wave diode blocks creates shorts. I looked at the attribute list with show invisible on and I see no hidden net assignments. I open it up in gedit and also see no hidden net assignments. The only thing that is there are pin labels. Am I going to have to make a local copy of *every* symbol and delete all the pinlabels in order to make connections without shorts? Am I doing something wrong that is causing everything turning into a single bus bar? Mike --=20 "Creativity is intelligence having fun." =E2=80=94 Albert Einstein --001a1140faacce68f2050804abeb Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
=C2=A0I finally got a new verisson of just = the power section. Two full-wave block diodes, 4 voltage regulators, 8 diff= erent voltage output power forms without any cutting and pasting from the p= revious version. Used the GUI sch2pcb and looked at the message log and alm= ost every net was shorted to almost every other net! Almost as bad as the f= ull circuit was. So at least if I can fix it here maybe there won't be = any other shorts. Yeah, famous last words.

=C2=A0So I made loc= al copies of the voltage regulators and added net definitions for the pin2 = of each device. No joy, so I disconnect every voltage regulator from the ci= rcuit and run it again. Still all shorted, so I add pinlabel names to each = output symbol to make sure they aren't doing it. No help. So I disconne= ct all of them too and run it again, still all shorts. I look at the netlis= t and it is short and sweet and no obvious shorts. So I made a temporary co= py and deleted the 7805's and still no luck. It looked like every place= that lines crossed they were shorting even if there was no yellow dot. So = I deleted every line that overlapped. And still as many shorts. I deleted e= very single trace, every last bit of blue, and finally no shorts! I slowly = add line again and very soon shorts appear again.

=C2=A0=C2= =A0 After cutting back it looks like a mere 3 lines between the two full-wa= ve diode blocks creates shorts. I looked at the attribute list with show in= visible on and I see no hidden net assignments. I open it up in gedit and a= lso see no hidden net assignments. The only thing that is there are pin lab= els. Am I going to have to make a local copy of every symbol and del= ete all the pinlabels in order to make connections without shorts? Am I doi= ng something wrong that is causing everything turning into a single bus bar= ?

Mike

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"Creativity is intelligence having fun.= " =E2=80=94 Albert Einstein
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