X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-help-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-help AT delorie DOT com Message-ID: <1412843798.2815.127.camel@linetec> Subject: Re: [geda-help] Panelizing howto or examples? From: Richard Rasker To: geda-help AT delorie DOT com Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2014 10:36:38 +0200 In-Reply-To: <685015500.1106923.1412786931337.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10651.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1412784061 DOT 2815 DOT 98 DOT camel AT linetec> <685015500 DOT 1106923 DOT 1412786931337 DOT JavaMail DOT yahoo AT jws10651 DOT mail DOT bf1 DOT yahoo DOT com> Organization: Linetec Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.6.2-0ubuntu0.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: geda-help AT delorie DOT com Errors-To: nobody AT delorie DOT com X-Mailing-List: geda-help AT delorie DOT com X-Unsubscribes-To: listserv AT delorie DOT com Precedence: bulk Hello Jason, Thank you for your very detailed explanation, Jason McLafferty wrote: > Hi Richard, > > I have panelized boards that I later separate myself. To do this, I > draw a line on the top silk layer so I know where I want to cut the > boards. [snip first 11 steps] > (12) Now, convert the OUTLINE board edges to SILK lines. The board > house I use only wants one outline, for the entire board. By using > SILK lines, they will show up and I know where to cut. [snip] OK, so basically you indicate the cut lines of the individual boards on the silk layer, with the outline layer defining the overall panel edge. This sounds simple enough, but it doesn't work. I just adapted and uploaded my little PCB by way of a test, but as expected, the manufacturer's automated design check now simply recognizes one PCB, not a panel with cut lines or the likes. If I try indicating that it should be treated as a panel, it says that no panel is recognized, so that option is not available. Perhaps I wasn't entirely clear: The idea is to have a panel with the individual PCB's pre-cut along their outlines, only held in place at two or three locations of my choosing, that I can easily snip with a cutter. Should I create another layer defining the cutting lines? Does it have to have a special name (such as 'outline' for the overall outline? Does anyone have an example file that clarifies things? The whole point of this is that I wish to produce a few dozen or so of these very tiny PCB's using a stencil and reflow process, and doing it by the panel and being able to cut or snap these free in a few seconds saves hours of fiddly work. @Bob Paddock: Yes, I know that I should leave enough material around the PCB's to support them. Fot Eurocircuits, their cutting tool has a 2 mm diameter, and individual PCB spacing of at least 5 mm (10 mm for larger PCB's) is recommended. @DJ Delorie > My panelizing scripts aren't plug-ins ... OK, that's sorted then. As explained above, the idea is to end up with the assembled PCB's in a panel, that I can detach using a sharp wire cutter. As far as sawing goes, I don't have anything more sophisticated here than a hacksaw, and that's not much use. Anyway, thanks again for your answers so far. I'll also contact Eurocircuits if they can explain how to add cutting information for panelization -- but from my experience, they often refer to specific options in Eagle and the likes when confronted with specific questions. Their panelization guidelines only mention distances and tips for creating mechanically stable panels. Best regards, Richard Rasker