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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2014 11:21:07 -0500
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Hi John,
Thanks for helping me out. I've attached the Spice include component and
I've named the model name as per the subckt definition. I'm still stuck
with the same problem. It's as though the netlister cannot read the model
file for some wierd reason??

* gnetlist -g spice-sdb -o inverting.net inverting.sch
*********************************************************
* Spice file generated by gnetlist                      *
* spice-sdb version 4.28.2007 by SDB --                 *
* provides advanced spice netlisting capability.        *
* Documentation at http://www.brorson.com/gEDA/SPICE/   *
*********************************************************
*vvvvvvvv  Included SPICE model from
/home/jayerfernandes/Desktop/NgSpice/models/LM741.mod vvvvvvvv

*//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
*LM741 OPERATIONAL AMPLIFIER MACRO-MODEL
*//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
*
* connections:      non-inverting input
*                   |   inverting input
*                   |   |   positive power supply
*                   |   |   |   negative power supply
*                   |   |   |   |   output
*                   |   |   |   |   |
*                   |   |   |   |   |
.SUBCKT LM741       1   2  99  50  28
*
*Features:
*Improved performance over industry standards
*Plug-in replacement for LM709,LM201,MC1439,748
*Input and output overload protection
*
****************INPUT STAGE**************
*
IOS 2 1 20N
*^Input offset current
R1 1 3 250K
R2 3 2 250K
I1 4 50 100U
R3 5 99 517
R4 6 99 517
Q1 5 2 4 QX
Q2 6 7 4 QX
*Fp2=3D2.55 MHz
C4 5 6 60.3614P
*
***********COMMON MODE EFFECT***********
*
I2 99 50 1.6MA
*^Quiescent supply current
EOS 7 1 POLY(1) 16 49 1E-3 1
*Input offset voltage.^
R8 99 49 40K
R9 49 50 40K
*
*********OUTPUT VOLTAGE LIMITING********
V2 99 8 1.63
D1 9 8 DX
D2 10 9 DX
V3 10 50 1.63
*
**************SECOND STAGE**************
*
EH 99 98 99 49 1
G1 98 9 5 6 2.1E-3
*Fp1=3D5 Hz
R5 98 9 95.493MEG
C3 98 9 333.33P
*
***************POLE STAGE***************
*
*Fp=3D30 MHz
G3 98 15 9 49 1E-6
R12 98 15 1MEG
C5 98 15 5.3052E-15
*
*********COMMON-MODE ZERO STAGE*********
*
*Fpcm=3D300 Hz
G4 98 16 3 49 3.1623E-8
L2 98 17 530.5M
R13 17 16 1K
*
**************OUTPUT STAGE**************
*
F6 50 99 POLY(1) V6 450U 1
E1 99 23 99 15 1
R16 24 23 25
D5 26 24 DX
V6 26 22 0.65V
R17 23 25 25
D6 25 27 DX
V7 22 27 0.65V
V5 22 21 0.18V
D4 21 15 DX
V4 20 22 0.18V
D3 15 20 DX
L3 22 28 100P
RL3 22 28 100K
*
***************MODELS USED**************
*
.MODEL DX D(IS=3D1E-15)
.MODEL QX NPN(BF=3D625)
*
.ENDS
*^^^^^^^^  End of included SPICE model from
/home/jayerfernandes/Desktop/NgSpice/models/LM741.mod ^^^^^^^^
*
*=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D  Begin SPICE netlist of main de=
sign =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
X1 0 7 2 1 3 unknown
XA1 LM741
V3 0 5 AC SIN(0 1m 50)
R3 0 4 250
R2 7 3 47k
R1 6 7 1k
C3 7 3 3300p
C2 5 6 180u
C1 3 4 75u
V2 2 0 15V
V1 1 0 -15V
.end

*Jayer Fernandes*

On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 10:52 AM, John Doty <jpd AT noqsi DOT com> wrote:

>
> On Oct 6, 2014, at 8:58 AM, John Doty <jpd AT noqsi DOT com> wrote:
>
>
> On Oct 5, 2014, at 10:44 PM, Jayer Fernandes <jayerfernandes AT gmail DOT com>
> wrote:
>
> I keep ending up with an unknown in my final which I've been trying to
> figure out for the last few days.
>
>
>  Your A1 is dragging in the model file, but you haven=E2=80=99t told spic=
e-sdb to
> use it for X1. You need a "spice-model" attribute with the value =E2=80=
=9CLM741=E2=80=9D
> attached to X1.
>
>
> Ooops, shouldn=E2=80=99t do this before breakfast. I meant a model-name a=
ttribute.
>
>
> John Doty              Noqsi Aerospace, Ltd.
> http://www.noqsi.com/
> jpd AT noqsi DOT com
>
>
>
> John Doty              Noqsi Aerospace, Ltd.
>
> http://www.noqsi.com/
>
> jpd AT noqsi DOT com
>
>
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:tahoma,s=
ans-serif">Hi John,</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:=
tahoma,sans-serif">Thanks for helping me out. I&#39;ve attached the Spice i=
nclude component and I&#39;ve named the model name as per the subckt defini=
tion. I&#39;m still stuck with the same problem. It&#39;s as though the net=
lister cannot read the model file for some wierd reason??</div><div class=
=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><br></div><div c=
lass=3D"gmail_default" style><div class=3D"gmail_default" style><font face=
=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">* gnetlist -g spice-sdb -o <a href=3D"http://invert=
ing.net">inverting.net</a> inverting.sch</font></div><div class=3D"gmail_de=
fault" style><font face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">****************************=
*****************************</font></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" styl=
e><font face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">* Spice file generated by gnetlist =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0*<=
/font></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style><font face=3D"tahoma, sans-s=
erif">* spice-sdb version 4.28.2007 by SDB -- =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 *</font></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" styl=
e><font face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">* provides advanced spice netlisting ca=
pability. =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0*</font></div><div class=3D"gmail_defa=
ult" style><font face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">* Documentation at <a href=3D"=
http://www.brorson.com/gEDA/SPICE/">http://www.brorson.com/gEDA/SPICE/</a> =
=C2=A0 *</font></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style><font face=3D"tahom=
a, sans-serif">*********************************************************</f=
ont></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style><font face=3D"tahoma, sans-ser=
if">*vvvvvvvv =C2=A0Included SPICE model from /home/jayerfernandes/Desktop/=
NgSpice/models/LM741.mod vvvvvvvv</font></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" =
style><font face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div class=3D"gmai=
l_default" style><font face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">*///////////////////////=
///////////////////////////////////</font></div><div class=3D"gmail_default=
" style><font face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">*LM741 OPERATIONAL AMPLIFIER MACR=
O-MODEL</font></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style><font face=3D"tahoma=
, sans-serif">*//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////</=
font></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style><font face=3D"tahoma, sans-se=
rif">*</font></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style><font face=3D"tahoma,=
 sans-serif">* connections: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0non-inverting input</font><=
/div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style><font face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">*=
 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 | =C2=A0 in=
verting input</font></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style><font face=3D"=
tahoma, sans-serif">* =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 | =C2=A0 | =C2=A0 positive power supply</font></div><div class=
=3D"gmail_default" style><font face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">* =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 | =C2=A0 | =C2=A0 | =C2=A0=
 negative power supply</font></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style><font=
 face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">* =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 | =C2=A0 | =C2=A0 | =C2=A0 | =C2=A0 output</font></div=
><div class=3D"gmail_default" style><font face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">* =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 | =C2=A0 | =C2=
=A0 | =C2=A0 | =C2=A0 |</font></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style><fon=
t face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">* =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 | =C2=A0 | =C2=A0 | =C2=A0 | =C2=A0 |</font></div><div=
 class=3D"gmail_default" style><font face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">.SUBCKT LM=
741 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1 =C2=A0 2 =C2=A099 =C2=A050 =C2=A028</font></div>=
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style><font face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">*</fon=
t></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style><font face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif=
">*Features:</font></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style><font face=3D"t=
ahoma, sans-serif">*Improved performance over industry standards</font></di=
v><div class=3D"gmail_default" style><font face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">*Plu=
g-in replacement for LM709,LM201,MC1439,748</font></div><div class=3D"gmail=
_default" style><font face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">*Input and output overloa=
d protection</font></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style><font face=3D"t=
ahoma, sans-serif">*</font></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style><font f=
ace=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">****************INPUT STAGE**************</font>=
</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style><font face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">=
*</font></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style><font face=3D"tahoma, sans=
-serif">IOS 2 1 20N</font></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style><font fa=
ce=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">*^Input offset current</font></div><div class=3D"=
gmail_default" style><font face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">R1 1 3 250K</font></=
div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style><font face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">R2=
 3 2 250K</font></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style><font face=3D"taho=
ma, sans-serif">I1 4 50 100U</font></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=
><font face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">R3 5 99 517</font></div><div class=3D"gm=
ail_default" style><font face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">R4 6 99 517</font></di=
v><div class=3D"gmail_default" style><font face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">Q1 5=
 2 4 QX</font></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style><font face=3D"tahoma=
, sans-serif">Q2 6 7 4 QX</font></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style><f=
ont face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">*Fp2=3D2.55 MHz</font></div><div class=3D"g=
mail_default" style><font face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">C4 5 6 60.3614P</font=
></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style><font face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif"=
>*</font></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style><font face=3D"tahoma, san=
s-serif">***********COMMON MODE EFFECT***********</font></div><div class=3D=
"gmail_default" style><font face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">*</font></div><div =
class=3D"gmail_default" style><font face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">I2 99 50 1.=
6MA</font></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style><font face=3D"tahoma, sa=
ns-serif">*^Quiescent supply current</font></div><div class=3D"gmail_defaul=
t" style><font face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">EOS 7 1 POLY(1) 16 49 1E-3 1</fo=
nt></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style><font face=3D"tahoma, sans-seri=
f">*Input offset voltage.^</font></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style><=
font face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">R8 99 49 40K</font></div><div class=3D"gma=
il_default" style><font face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">R9 49 50 40K</font></di=
v><div class=3D"gmail_default" style><font face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">*</f=
ont></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style><font face=3D"tahoma, sans-ser=
if">*********OUTPUT VOLTAGE LIMITING********</font></div><div class=3D"gmai=
l_default" style><font face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">V2 99 8 1.63</font></div=
><div class=3D"gmail_default" style><font face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">D1 9 =
8 DX</font></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style><font face=3D"tahoma, s=
ans-serif">D2 10 9 DX</font></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style><font =
face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">V3 10 50 1.63</font></div><div class=3D"gmail_d=
efault" style><font face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">*</font></div><div class=3D=
"gmail_default" style><font face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">**************SECON=
D STAGE**************</font></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style><font =
face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">*</font></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" styl=
e><font face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">EH 99 98 99 49 1</font></div><div class=
=3D"gmail_default" style><font face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">G1 98 9 5 6 2.1E=
-3</font></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style><font face=3D"tahoma, san=
s-serif">*Fp1=3D5 Hz</font></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style><font f=
ace=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">R5 98 9 95.493MEG</font></div><div class=3D"gmai=
l_default" style><font face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">C3 98 9 333.33P</font></=
div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style><font face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">*<=
/font></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style><font face=3D"tahoma, sans-s=
erif">***************POLE STAGE***************</font></div><div class=3D"gm=
ail_default" style><font face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">*</font></div><div cla=
ss=3D"gmail_default" style><font face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">*Fp=3D30 MHz</=
font></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style><font face=3D"tahoma, sans-se=
rif">G3 98 15 9 49 1E-6</font></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style><fon=
t face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">R12 98 15 1MEG</font></div><div class=3D"gmai=
l_default" style><font face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">C5 98 15 5.3052E-15</fon=
t></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style><font face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif=
">*</font></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style><font face=3D"tahoma, sa=
ns-serif">*********COMMON-MODE ZERO STAGE*********</font></div><div class=
=3D"gmail_default" style><font face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">*</font></div><d=
iv class=3D"gmail_default" style><font face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">*Fpcm=3D=
300 Hz</font></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style><font face=3D"tahoma,=
 sans-serif">G4 98 16 3 49 3.1623E-8</font></div><div class=3D"gmail_defaul=
t" style><font face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">L2 98 17 530.5M</font></div><div=
 class=3D"gmail_default" style><font face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">R13 17 16 =
1K</font></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style><font face=3D"tahoma, san=
s-serif">*</font></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style><font face=3D"tah=
oma, sans-serif">**************OUTPUT STAGE**************</font></div><div =
class=3D"gmail_default" style><font face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">*</font></d=
iv><div class=3D"gmail_default" style><font face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">F6 =
50 99 POLY(1) V6 450U 1</font></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style><fon=
t face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">E1 99 23 99 15 1</font></div><div class=3D"gm=
ail_default" style><font face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">R16 24 23 25</font></d=
iv><div class=3D"gmail_default" style><font face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">D5 =
26 24 DX</font></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style><font face=3D"tahom=
a, sans-serif">V6 26 22 0.65V</font></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" styl=
e><font face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">R17 23 25 25</font></div><div class=3D"=
gmail_default" style><font face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">D6 25 27 DX</font></=
div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style><font face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">V7=
 22 27 0.65V</font></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style><font face=3D"t=
ahoma, sans-serif">V5 22 21 0.18V</font></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" =
style><font face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">D4 21 15 DX</font></div><div class=
=3D"gmail_default" style><font face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">V4 20 22 0.18V</=
font></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style><font face=3D"tahoma, sans-se=
rif">D3 15 20 DX</font></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style><font face=
=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">L3 22 28 100P</font></div><div class=3D"gmail_defau=
lt" style><font face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">RL3 22 28 100K</font></div><div=
 class=3D"gmail_default" style><font face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">*</font></=
div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style><font face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">**=
*************MODELS USED**************</font></div><div class=3D"gmail_defa=
ult" style><font face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">*</font></div><div class=3D"gm=
ail_default" style><font face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">.MODEL DX D(IS=3D1E-15=
)</font></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style><font face=3D"tahoma, sans=
-serif">.MODEL QX NPN(BF=3D625)</font></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" st=
yle><font face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">*</font></div><div class=3D"gmail_def=
ault" style><font face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">.ENDS</font></div><div class=
=3D"gmail_default" style><font face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">*^^^^^^^^ =C2=A0=
End of included SPICE model from /home/jayerfernandes/Desktop/NgSpice/model=
s/LM741.mod ^^^^^^^^</font></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style><font f=
ace=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">*</font></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=
><font face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">*=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D =C2=A0Begin SPICE netlist of main design =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D</font></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style><font face=3D"tahoma,=
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<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 10:52 AM, John Doty <=
span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jpd AT noqsi DOT com" target=3D"_blank">jpd=
@noqsi.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div sty=
le=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><br><div><span class=3D""><div>On Oct 6, 2014, =
at 8:58 AM, John Doty &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jpd AT noqsi DOT com" target=3D"_blank=
">jpd AT noqsi DOT com</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div styl=
e=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><br><div><div>On Oct 5, 2014, at 10:44 PM, Jayer=
 Fernandes &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jayerfernandes AT gmail DOT com" target=3D"_blank=
">jayerfernandes AT gmail DOT com</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite=
"><span style=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:12px;font-style:no=
rmal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-heig=
ht:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:=
normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">I keep ending =
up with an unknown in my final which I&#39;ve been trying to figure out for=
 the last few days.</span></blockquote></div><div><br></div>=C2=A0Your A1 i=
s dragging in the model file, but you haven=E2=80=99t told spice-sdb to use=
 it for X1. You need a &quot;spice-model&quot; attribute with the value =E2=
=80=9CLM741=E2=80=9D attached to X1.</div></blockquote><div><br></div></spa=
n>Ooops, shouldn=E2=80=99t do this before breakfast. I meant a model-name a=
ttribute.</div><span class=3D""><div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div sty=
le=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><div><br><div>
<span style=3D"border-collapse:separate;border-spacing:0px"><div style=3D"m=
argin:0px"><font face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" style=3D"font:12.0px Helveti=
ca">John Doty<span>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<span>=C2=A0</span><sp=
an>=C2=A0 =C2=A0<span>=C2=A0</span></span></span>Noqsi Aerospace, Ltd.</fon=
t></div><div style=3D"margin:0px"><a href=3D"http://www.noqsi.com/" target=
=3D"_blank">http://www.noqsi.com/</a></div><div style=3D"margin:0px"><font =
face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" style=3D"font:12.0px Helvetica"><a href=3D"ma=
ilto:jpd AT noqsi DOT com" target=3D"_blank">jpd AT noqsi DOT com</a></font></div><br></s=
pan>
</div>
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<span style=3D"border-collapse:separate;border-spacing:0px 0px;color:rgb(0,=
0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant:no=
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=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<span>=C2=A0</span><span>=C2=A0 =C2=A0<span>=C2=A0</span><=
/span></span>Noqsi Aerospace, Ltd.</font></p><p style=3D"margin:0.0px 0.0px=
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w.noqsi.com/</a></p><p style=3D"margin:0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><font face=
=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" style=3D"font:12.0px Helvetica"><a href=3D"mailto=
:jpd AT noqsi DOT com" target=3D"_blank">jpd AT noqsi DOT com</a></font></p><br></span>
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