X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-help-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-help AT delorie DOT com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=PbzGrlabStdY7PR9N1pqjoDkAbfe4p+N5WQGpr/60u8=; b=gOYhGTzu/SK7RIzH8mlUmBCpOx2ocNTvJqiIsvOGhmZmsoBrNCRFRy3lznUFTWgOoq Ajogq1ztoiI3L+vuoXgcSld+eP3sCLg9C1AuC5Rw0rHmoy9J8jJ8TK8/F6rrJJz6n56Z 0mwph/eNU/2mm9hWCWIN4D3mYhSO1Dklrwe3QX+CpcGN4NWWcPvoav19rtcZzs9wqjWS TR9AIzaixetIf8C52XEUw9Ck7UwQ3qz1xtX6I7TZoyswTe1DTHzTMRfqwVnVhdXO4VWv LfZQNINDO9TxW3KfOG6gUGHDaQPrN4DEJ6fpS1o1opWUMbROSKhxK7cLesqLZVMTGo9W GUwQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.6.68 with SMTP id y4mr8690004igy.47.1411312278695; Sun, 21 Sep 2014 08:11:18 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20140920021317.GC89571@cicely7.cicely.de> References: <20140920014713 DOT 27511 DOT qmail AT stuge DOT se> <20140920021317 DOT GC89571 AT cicely7 DOT cicely DOT de> Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2014 11:11:18 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [geda-help] exporting to eagle et al From: vattan To: geda-help AT delorie DOT com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bdca51e09f3d7050394bf18 Reply-To: geda-help AT delorie DOT com Errors-To: nobody AT delorie DOT com X-Mailing-List: geda-help AT delorie DOT com X-Unsubscribes-To: listserv AT delorie DOT com Precedence: bulk --047d7bdca51e09f3d7050394bf18 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hmm, the gnetlist eagle export looked so real too... shame. I would think its not too hard to do since eagle seems to have a scripting language but damn is thier documentation rubbish. What tool chain do you use togenerate something PADs like? I think tht could work for me. On Sep 19, 2014 10:19 PM, "Bernd Walter" wrote: > On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 03:47:13AM +0200, Peter Stuge wrote: > > vattan wrote: > > > send files to someone who is not using gEDA, they have Altium and > Eagle etc. > > > I assume Eagle would be the easiest to export to > > > > Interchangeability of working files is not a strong point of any EDA > > software, also not gEDA. Noone uses it much and it's low priority. > > > > I'd say your only chance is to use the common export formats; like > > gerber and png. Of course Altium or Eagle can't work with them. > > > > I'm afraid you are a few decades too early. > > Easiest would be to have that someone install gEDA, because unlike > Eagle and Altium gEDA is completely free and not picky about the > OS and CPU architecture. > It is even possible to use a cheap Raspberry PI to run gEDA. > I know that Eagle has a limited costless version and Altium recently > annouced something similar, but still those are binaries for specific > systems only and limited in functionality. > > > > Does anyone have any insight here? > > > > Road untraveled, noone has invested resources into making it smooth, > > it is very bumpy. A detour will save you time in the end, unless you > > want to invest significant resources in paving the road before you > > can travel it. > > Automatic conversion might even be impossible because features can be > different. > For example with QFN center pad I use a non paste pad overlayed with small > paste pads to reduce paste amount. > This might not be possible to do this way with other software, but other > software likely have solutions for this in another way. > On the other hand you can't just switch component foorprints to native > library versions, because of naming and detail size differences. > Even if you have a tool you can't expect it to do the complete conversion > without help. > > In every converion case I know the projects had been recreated. > With board layouts it turned out to be best to have a JPEG or something > like this in background to redraw the copper on top of it. > > -- > B.Walter http://www.bwct.de > Modbus/TCP Ethernet I/O Baugruppen, ARM basierte FreeBSD Rechner uvm. > --047d7bdca51e09f3d7050394bf18 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hmm, the gnetlist eagle export looked so real too... shame.=C2=A0 I woul= d think its not too=C2=A0 hard to do since eagle seems to have a scripting = language but damn is thier documentation rubbish.
What tool chain do you use togenerate something=C2=A0 PADs like? I think th= t could work for me.

On Sep 19, 2014 10:19 PM, "Bernd Walter&quo= t; <ticso AT c= icely7.cicely.de> wrote:
On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 03:47:13AM +0200, Peter Stuge wrote:<= br> > vattan wrote:
> > send files to someone who is not using gEDA, they have Altium and= Eagle etc.
> > I assume Eagle would be the easiest to export to
>
> Interchangeability of working files is not a strong point of any EDA > software, also not gEDA. Noone uses it much and it's low priority.=
>
> I'd say your only chance is to use the common export formats; like=
> gerber and png. Of course Altium or Eagle can't work with them. >
> I'm afraid you are a few decades too early.

Easiest would be to have that someone install gEDA, because unlike
Eagle and Altium gEDA is completely free and not picky about the
OS and CPU architecture.
It is even possible to use a cheap Raspberry PI to run gEDA.
I know that Eagle has a limited costless version and Altium recently
annouced something similar, but still those are binaries for specific
systems only and limited in functionality.

> > Does anyone have any insight here?
>
> Road untraveled, noone has invested resources into making it smooth, > it is very bumpy. A detour will save you time in the end, unless you > want to invest significant resources in paving the road before you
> can travel it.

Automatic conversion might even be impossible because features can be
different.
For example with QFN center pad I use a non paste pad overlayed with small<= br> paste pads to reduce paste amount.
This might not be possible to do this way with other software, but other software likely have solutions for this in another way.
On the other hand you can't just switch component foorprints to native<= br> library versions, because of naming and detail size differences.
Even if you have a tool you can't expect it to do the complete conversi= on
without help.

In every converion case I know the projects had been recreated.
With board layouts it turned out to be best to have a JPEG or something
like this in background to redraw the copper on top of it.

--
B.Walter <bernd AT bwct.= de> http://www.bwct= .de
Modbus/TCP Ethernet I/O Baugruppen, ARM basierte FreeBSD Rechner uvm.
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