X-Authentication-Warning: acp3bf.physik.rwth-aachen.de: broeker owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 10:56:30 +0100 (MET) From: Hans-Bernhard Broeker X-Sender: broeker AT acp3bf To: Eli Zaretskii cc: djgpp AT delorie DOT com Subject: Re: Windows ME and DJGPP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: djgpp AT delorie DOT com Errors-To: nobody AT delorie DOT com X-Mailing-List: djgpp AT delorie DOT com X-Unsubscribes-To: listserv AT delorie DOT com Precedence: bulk On Wed, 24 Jan 2001, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > On 23 Jan 2001, Hans-Bernhard Broeker wrote: > > Compared to both of these, ME is a pain in the lower back as it comes > > to advanced DJGPP usage. Just as an example, you'll have no way of > > using the full power of the YAMD memory debugger on an ME system [...] > I don't see how this example is really enough to warrant the verdict > that Windows ME is ``a pain in the lower back as it comes to advanced > DJGPP usage.'' Most DJGPP users on Windows never go to DOS mode, and > thus don't have the benefits of YAMD anyway. That's why I spoke of "advanced" usage of DJGPP. For everyday use, it's okay, AFAIK. But the removal of MS-DOS mode can mean a severe limitation for certain cases, mostly dealing with debugging. How, e.g., is anyone supposed to become aware of a NULL pointer problem if he can't run the code on DOS to check for it? > People who need plain > DOS will arrange a dual-boot system and be done with it. But that's the exact problem: you *cannot* set up a dual-boot system with unhacked versions of Windows ME. > (Btw, is it possible on Windows ME to switch to the so-called ``DOS > Mode'' by setting properties of a DOS program or the DOS box? If so, > it might be an easier way of getting to plain DOS without patching > anything.) No, that's been disabled, too. In ME, the only "allowed" way of getting into real DOS is a boot floppy. And that, IMHO, does qualify as a pain. -- Hans-Bernhard Broeker (broeker AT physik DOT rwth-aachen DOT de) Even if all the snow were burnt, ashes would remain.