From: Jason Green <news AT jgreen4 DOT fsnet DOT co DOT uk>
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Subject: Re: how do i install C
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 00:15:08 +0000
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"Thomas J. Hruska" <shinelight AT crosswinds DOT net> wrote:

> Sure, no problem...I'll tell all newbies that come into this forum that
> DJGPP and all gcc ports are the greatest things to ever happen to the
> world.  Due to sending *THAT* message to them, I will drive them away from
> programming forever.  Great message to send if you ask me.  I'll comply
> with your wishes, but not happily.  

Nobody is asking you to do that.

> IMHO, the people in this forum are very
> embittered, "hardcore" programmers who **HATE** those who are new to the
> programming realm.  

There is no way you can justify this claim.  

> If the people of this forum were smart, they would
> allow some leniency and keep an open mind to the fact that helping
> "newbies" out is actually beneficial.  

Huh!  Do you actually follow what is posted in this group?

> Sure I mention a proprietary
> compiler or two, but by helping them get started with something easy, they
> are MUCH more likely to come back and check out DJGPP when they are ready
> for cross-platform developing.  

The compilers you quoted are not the best to learn C/C++.  Sure, DJGPP
has not the home comforts of a GUIfied development environment.  But
IME this only distracts new users, whereas the simplicity of DJGPP
allows them to concentrate on learning valuable coding skills.

So, my recommendation is to use DJGPP to learn at least the rudiments
of C/C++, and *then* move to another environment when it becomes clear
that's what is needed.

> By giving them the cold shoulder, they will
> turn away from DJGPP and DJGPP will die a horrible, unspeakable death.

DJGPP will never die for lack of support offered to new users here.

> (oh, I'm sure I'll get flamed for this, but it won't
> phase me a bit).

Shame.