From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.djgpp Subject: Re: emcAsc Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 13:45:53 +0200 Organization: NetVision Israel Lines: 31 Message-ID: References: <199912022311 DOT SAA10245 AT delorie DOT com> <38496768 DOT 32C96EBE AT a DOT crl DOT com> <83n24.1491$323 DOT 41378 AT dfiatx1-snr1 DOT gtei DOT net> NNTP-Posting-Host: is.elta.co.il Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: news.netvision.net.il 944394260 14335 199.203.121.2 (5 Dec 1999 11:44:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse AT netvision DOT net DOT il NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Dec 1999 11:44:20 GMT X-Sender: eliz AT is In-Reply-To: <83n24.1491$323.41378@dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net> To: djgpp AT delorie DOT com DJ-Gateway: from newsgroup comp.os.msdos.djgpp Reply-To: djgpp AT delorie DOT com X-Mailing-List: djgpp AT delorie DOT com X-Unsubscribes-To: listserv AT delorie DOT com Precedence: bulk On Sun, 5 Dec 1999, Damian Yerrick wrote: > > > Any editor that maps backspace to the help function > > > (emacs) is simply out of place on a desktop with a 104+ keyboard. > > Suggest a better key? Unlike the Mac keyboard, the PC keyboard > does not have a "help" key. The usual HELP key on a PC is F1. However, since the Emacs manual explicitly documents the HELP key to be Ctrl-H, the DJGPP port doesn't by default redefine it to be F1. Instead, the DOS keyboard driver included in Emacs does special trickery to distinguish between Ctrl-H and Backspace. That is why I think that the above complaint is irrelevant for the DOS/Windows versions of Emacs. > > > Emacs is an incredible resource hog because it was > > > designed by grad students with access to mainframes. > > > Vim has the singular distinction of being the > > > most counter-intuitive editor in existence. > > BOLLOCKS! > For example, to write the current file and quit: > In vim (multiplatform), it's :wq > In Notepad and most other Windows editors, it's M-f s M-F4 > Now which is easier to type and understand? vim. Well, the original message probably implied the menu-bar and the mouse. But Emacs supports these as well, even on plain DOS: click "Files->Exit Emacs", and you are done.