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From: Mateusz Viste <mateusz AT wont DOT tell>
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Date: 07 Oct 2017 06:44:39 GMT
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On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 00:14:17 -0400, Rod Pemberton wrote:
> At least, I'm not being hostile, inciting unnecessary arguments,
> responding off-topic, spamming the group, nor lying, as Dj did.  :)

This (DJ doing such things) I know nothing about. Surely I miss some 
historical context, but it's certainly unrelated to this topic.

> Where did I tell the OP something in a "harsh" way?  The question is why
> did you take it to be harsh?

Truth being, this all is not about your answer to the OP, but rather the 
overall escalation:

OP:   top posting (surely in good faith)

You (slightly harsh):
     "This is not a Google Group.  We bottom post on Usenet, as it's
      difficult to follow longer posts when top posted."

DJ (answers with an equal level of /slight/ harshness):
     "This is not a dictatorship.  We don't tell people how to compose
      messages."

You (harsh level+++):
   "Please don't attempt to tell any further lies by claiming that
    it's not, as you know full well that bottom posting to Usenet was
    standardized:"

>> The fact that Rugxulo obviously answered from outside of the Usenet
>> calls for an even higher dose of tolerance.
> 
> I'm confused by that.  Why?  He follows Usenet etiquette and standards.

I'm sorry, I blacked out for a moment (getting old and confused I guess - 
still I prefer that to getting old and ranty, even if the latter also 
does happen to me more often as time passes)
I meant "the OP", but my fingers typed "Rugxulo" because that's what my 
eyes were looking at somewhere above the thread.

>> 1. RFC are no standards, otherwise they wouldn't be called "RFCs" in
>> the first place
> 
> Please feel free to point out the Internet standards which are NOT
> titled as RFCs.  (I.e., there are none because RFCs are the standards.)

That's oversimplification I think. The fact that (nearly) every internet 
standard is based on an RFC doesn't mean that every RFC is a standard.

>> Even if the RFCs were any kind of golden rule that everyone has to
>> follow (which they are not!), this particular RFC makes itself optional
>> anyway.
>> 
> It's still the norm to bottom-post to Usenet groups.

It is the common thing to do, yes. But I still prefer seeing some 
occasional top-post rather than seeing the Usenet burning in flames :)

> Yes, exactly.  So, why don't you ask Dj to stop initiating such divisive
> conflict?  I simply informed the OP of the truth of the matter.  Dj
> wrongly took offense to that and incited an argument.

I stand by my point that in this very specific topic, the divisive 
conflict was initiated... by you, through unnecessary escalation of 
verbal violence. I really appeal to everyone here to keep the violence 
for the real world. It's so much more fun there than it is here.

Mateusz