X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to djgpp-bounces using -f From: Rugxulo Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.djgpp Subject: Re: Emacs 23.1 is released Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 08:31:47 -0700 (PDT) Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 62 Message-ID: <437a054e-f125-466d-959b-91179333b070@d4g2000vbm.googlegroups.com> References: <83ws5poszd DOT fsf AT gnu DOT org> <9668eafe-20c4-4585-8672-1782b7c99dc4 AT z28g2000vbl DOT googlegroups DOT com> <83skg4m17q DOT fsf AT gnu DOT org> NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.13.115.246 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: posting.google.com 1249659107 30748 127.0.0.1 (7 Aug 2009 15:31:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse AT google DOT com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 15:31:47 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse AT google DOT com Injection-Info: d4g2000vbm.googlegroups.com; posting-host=65.13.115.246; posting-account=p5rsXQoAAAB8KPnVlgg9E_vlm2dvVhfO User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US) AppleWebKit/530.5 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/2.0.172.39 Safari/530.5,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) To: djgpp AT delorie DOT com DJ-Gateway: from newsgroup comp.os.msdos.djgpp Reply-To: djgpp AT delorie DOT com Hi, On Aug 7, 4:18=A0am, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > This is a highly personal selection of Lisp packages. =A0Without such > important packages as grep.elc, ispell.elc, ps-print.elc, vc-*.elc, > etags.elc and ebrwose.elc (you did include etags.exe and ebrowse.exe) > and cus*.elc, this minimal package will not be very useful, at least > not to me. It was only a starting point, I admit. And yes, I forgot to test tags. But grep is probably less useful because it requires an external tool. Same with ispell, ps-print, vc-*. I honestly don't usually use those. Obviously at least ediff and vc-* would be nice in theory, but that's more space I didn't want to waste just for simple compiling. My laptop here has the "full" 23.1, which is 175 MB (eek). I definitely think that's too much for my old computer (esp. with 16k clusters, ugh ... note to anybody, FAT16 is only good at less than 512 MB for a partition, so split it up if necessary!). > OTOH, including play/*.elc sounds like a luxury, It is, but it's only 500k. I kept the play/ directory just for one reason: easy to delete. I could probably live with only zone, tetris, hanoi, and gomoku. :-) > and you also included > many files that are preloaded into emacs.exe and don't need to be > carried separately (check with loadup.el). I wasn't sure. To be honest, I didn't know what I was doing! :-) Just a lot of trial and error (although lib-requires.el from the wiki did help a tiny bit). > It is not easy to come up with a minimal package that satisfies > everyone, mainly because different people prefer different features > and work with different programming languages. =A0 I know, but I tried to include the very common stuff. > I can easily enough to > list those packages that surely will NOT be needed (because the > underlying features don't work or don't make sense in the DJGPP port), > for example shell.elc and gud.elc (or fringe.elc and scroll-bar.elc > that you included for some unclear reason). =A0 I think there was something that maybe needed fringe and scroll-bar, believe it or not. > But that still leaves too > many packages that can potentially be useful to someone. =A0If you are > really hard-pressed for disk space, the best advice I can give is > compress all the *.elc files and those *.el files that don't have a > corresponding *.elc, and then uncompress any file whose absence causes > something to fail. =A0With time, your installation will stabilize around > the files you really need and use. lisp/ and all its subdirs has 31 MB of .elc files !! Sorry if I find that too much (esp. the useless to me GNUS, MH-E, ERC, etc). Especially all the silly image files, texinfo sources, extra docs, etc. It's not that I mind having it in theory, but it just won't fit, and isn't needed most of the time anyways.