X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to djgpp-bounces using -f From: Rugxulo Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.djgpp,comp.os.msdos.programmer Subject: Re: TRYING TO MAKE EXE RUN ON FRIENDS MACHINE Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 16:53:10 -0800 (PST) Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 113 Message-ID: References: <5fb78e93-bed6-46d9-85c8-a838e35b3d22 AT r36g2000prf DOT googlegroups DOT com> <9941ccce-87a6-4ace-9f78-9b15710643bd AT x8g2000yqk DOT googlegroups DOT com> <4563e62e-7382-4c6a-b986-d4c8a8ff9d47 AT i18g2000prf DOT googlegroups DOT com> <0541cc98-689c-4e6c-ae02-d6f5a1b4a9cb AT l37g2000vba DOT googlegroups DOT com> <886d17b9-399f-48ed-ac4d-45ca11d3879f AT s20g2000yqh DOT googlegroups DOT com>

<59d15676-685a-4ad8-a43a-7715035abbaa AT f3g2000yqf DOT googlegroups DOT com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.13.115.246 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Trace: posting.google.com 1231894390 935 127.0.0.1 (14 Jan 2009 00:53:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse AT google DOT com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 00:53:10 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse AT google DOT com Injection-Info: r40g2000yqj.googlegroups.com; posting-host=65.13.115.246; posting-account=p5rsXQoAAAB8KPnVlgg9E_vlm2dvVhfO User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.0.5) Gecko/2008120122 Firefox/3.0.5,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) To: djgpp AT delorie DOT com DJ-Gateway: from newsgroup comp.os.msdos.djgpp Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by delorie.com id n0E106aj013298 Reply-To: djgpp AT delorie DOT com Hi, On Jan 13, 4:03 pm, "Rod Pemberton" wrote: > "Rugxulo" wrote in message > > news:59d15676-685a-4ad8-a43a-7715035abbaa AT f3g2000yqf DOT googlegroups DOT com... > > > You're using Win98 and can boot to DOS mode, so just unzip BasicLinux > > on top of your FAT partition. It's only 20 MB unpacked, so it's not > > much (only 4 MB or so .ZIP'd). Then just unpack the prebuilt Linux GCC > > cross-compiler on top of that: "cd / ; tar xvzf /tmp/moss-0.90-bin- > > linux.tar.gz ; export PATH=/usr/local/i386-moss/bin:$PATH" > > Well, that's a no go... with an error saying it couldn't find FS.IMG. > FS.IMG is there. BASLIN is there. But, I ran it off of a USB flash drive > using legacy BIOS support. That is likely the problem: lack of legacy USB > device support in BasicLinux. Right, I think 2.2.x doesn't support USB. You may have to upgrade the kernel to 2.4.x. A quick search didn't find one for BL, but it's probably there somewhere. (BasicLinux claims to be compatible with Slackware 4.0, too. Maybe they have one.) > Unfortunately, except for the CD-ROM, I don't > have any "legacy" physical (by that I mean has "rotating platters") disk > drives in this machine. The drives I've got all work through modern > interfaces: USB, SATA. The internal HD is a SATA SSD (no moving parts and > _exceptionally_ quiet), my other HD is an external USB (likely a normal > "rotating platters" HD inside...), and the solid-state USB flash drive > effectively "replaces" the floppy... I've been intending to buy a floppy, > but I don't have one yet. One solution might be to pull some older hardware > from another machine, but I'm not motivated to do that. Well, as mentioned, QEMU + QEMU-IMG + FreeDOS + BasicLinux + FAT12 floppy .IMG to save to (which you can extract files from for DOS) might work with the pre-compiled i386-moss-gcc. Okay, so that's a long, roundabout method, but it works. There's also other things (e.g. Virtual Floppy Drive) for Windows, but not sure if it runs on Win9x. > I also looked at the Debian windows installer. It, like most Linux > installs, want's to partition my disks... a definate no-no. If I had a > physical HD, instead of an SSD, I'd _consider_ defraging it and > repartitioning. I repartitioned an existing, full-of-data, drive once: > scary... Okay, so that might be a bit much, but they say it works. I've never tried either, so maybe I shouldn't suggest that. ;-) But even Ubuntu brags about having a Win32 installer now. > Oh, I'd *love* to have SATA support in Win98SE... So, I have zero intention > of repartitioning or defraging. What I need is a Linux with a modern > kernel, 2.6 series, with GCC, Binutils, GLIBC, related compiler tools, and > Tso's FDISK. It'd need a statically compiled kernel that is compiled for > loopback on DOS with VFAT, not UMSDOS, and which works with Loadlin. Of > course, it'd also need support for my devices which are SATA and USB based, > not IDE or floppy. Due to the way Linux installs today, I'm thinking this > is an unreal request. In all likelihood, I'd have to install Linux to so I > can create the needed DOS useable Linux by myself. I don't know, I'm far from a Linux guru. There are a billion distros, and most aren't exactly oriented towards DOS-friendliness. P.S. I did rebuild GCC 2.95.3 (C only) and BinUtils 2.16.1 via DJGPP for MOSS target, and it seems to work (using /lib/gcc-lib/i386-pc-moss/ 2.953/ to hold most everything). I probably organized it wrong, but for now, who cares. I haven't rebuilt MOSS.EXE yet (and not sure I can) although I did weakly try (and fail). And as far as binding the extender to the a.out file, it seems it won't work (MKEXE.SH) because of lacking "bsdboot.o". You may be able to bind other files to the a.out itself by using a wrapper linked via ld (see broken script above), but I haven't tried that. And still no word from Bryan, so I give up hope on that .... Anyways, for anybody else's benefit, here's a working binary build of MOSS / ELF target hosted by DJGPP (GCC + BinUtils + libs + headers + extender source) w/ 7zdec example as simple testcase. The only thing this doesn't include is (obviously) the GCC and BinUtils sources, which I have on my site too. This may expect LFNs due to /i386-pc- moss/ yet I don't know an obvious way around that yet. But hey, it works, so use DOSLFN if needed. (I compressed via 7-Zip to save space, but I did at least add the DOS sfx from Kostylev's 4.58 p7zip compile, so just rename to .EXE and it should unpack fine, needs 16 MB space, oh noes!). http://rugxulo.googlepages.com/moss-dj.7z (3 MB) http://rugxulo.googlepages.com/gcc2953s.tbz (8 MB, sources only) http://rugxulo.googlepages.com/bnu2161s.tbz (9 MB, sources only) P.S. Here's what Bryan's TODO said back then (1996): * Get rid of some of the stupid hard-coded constants, such as "a.out" and the remote GDB serial line and enable flag. * Translation from forward slash to backslash in file operations. * POSIX-compatible translation for tty-like devices (console, serial ports, etc.) * Use EMS pages when available. * Create a /dev/tty pseudo-file referring to the console. * Support for loading other executables and other fancy features. * Native development under DOS. * Compatibility with DJGPP and/or EMX executables