X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to djgpp-bounces using -f NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 00:41:34 -0500 From: "Alexei A. Frounze" Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.djgpp References: Subject: Re: no DPMI memory under Windows vista Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 22:37:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Message-ID: Lines: 75 NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.170.72.236 X-Trace: sv3-Cl7DHc5JMupq9KaFx251je9T29jAgiO85uL8mlCe3TQzitPz76D22caWX7XLcYYBgpn7d3DKZ2dDayG!l7zYewdHhJgclB9JY/Pm4eBZml5AWqHEQwYAVoJ4EzagAIowIbZ77+Vn0y368wmXQFNY5+GsE/AO!/EJNJ1zsDismM5tu3pNwXLJt7SZ2ww== X-Complaints-To: abuse AT comcast DOT net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: dmca AT comcast DOT net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.34 To: djgpp AT delorie DOT com DJ-Gateway: from newsgroup comp.os.msdos.djgpp Reply-To: djgpp AT delorie DOT com Sterten AT aol DOT com wrote: > I always disliked that period-"argument". > Sounds like you won't tolerate any other opinion on that ?! > Even if Microsoft won't do it (would they?) someone else > might offer it. Other options include switching to another > operating system (Linux,Dos,..) or "downgrading" to XP. MS won't do it. It's clear. And if fixing those things involves kernel modification, it's not something you can easily get because whoever makes that patch must know the windows kernel very well and must go around the facilities that prevent unauthorized kernel modification, something that's MS is now very serious about. So, it comes back to MS or practically nobody else. > Should Vista be recommended at all or should we better buy old, > used computers with other operating systems installed ? Depends on what you want/need. Vista w/o VMs is a bad choice for DOS apps, but more or less good for win32/64 development and other windows apps (though, compatibility issues still exist, especially with older software). > Maybe vendors should offer computers with offer operating systems > too, maybe buyers should more frequently explicitely require > other operating systems. The average buyers are clueless and easy to fool. They don't know precisely what they want and don't want, less they know about what's out there, and what to ask for/about. And they often don't expect issues with which they will have to cope. Ads work for software just as for any other type of product. Actually, despite all of the studies of what customers want, as long as the product isn't worse than that of competitors (if such exist), it's OK to ignore certain of their wishes. The design and implementation is usually dictated by the manufacturer and it's hard to impossible to reconfigure what wasn't meant to be reconfigurable. Again, often what can be good or even perfect for a clueless user is just a PITA for an advanced user. The reverse is true likewise. Unfortunately, there's rarely a design to satisfy both. > But, despite your "period" , I still have hope that someone > will offer a patch for download... Don't wait too long, it may never happen. If this had been a progress thingy, it would've been reasonable to wait and hope. This doesn't look like a progress and technically it's even worse, a regress... > The other options suggested here - I don't so well understand it, > how/whether I can do it, compatibilities, how much time required. > I'll reconsider it , when no patch is being offered. > At the moment I don't use the Vista-computer, maybe I can sell it > to someone who needs no old software. Make use of VMs. Use the free MS Virtual PC 2007. Install DOS inside or older Windows and develop your apps in there. Oh, VPC won't work on the Home edition of Vista, it needs Ultimate, Enterprise or Business. This is the easiest and readily available solution unlike the nonexistent patch. Alex > --------------------------------- > > In einer eMail vom 28.04.2007 05:18:24 Westeuropäische Normalzeit > schreibt alexfru AT chat DOT ru: > Microsoft won't do it. Period. So, there's no option as to who > should fix what. You fix your code. > Alex > > wrote in message > news:bee DOT 13f623fa DOT 3362fd78 AT aol DOT com... now, what's easier to just > write a patch which allows these programs to run as before > or to adapt them all to the new OS ? > Just count the total programming time needed ! > It probably results in many old programs no longer being available, > but well, maybe that's how Microsoft wants to hold down competing > software.