From: James W Sager Iii Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.djgpp Subject: Re: [Cspace] Survey says! Problem 3.0... Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 13:51:46 -0400 Organization: Fifth yr. senior, MCS Undeclared, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 48 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <1fc2rs0m9l5dlqg42vrup0tglgimgd290c AT 4ax DOT com> NNTP-Posting-Host: po7.andrew.cmu.edu X-Trace: bb3.andrew.cmu.edu 968003634 25594 128.2.10.107 (3 Sep 2000 17:53:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: advisor AT andrew DOT cmu DOT edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Sep 2000 17:53:54 GMT X-Added: With Flames (outnews v2.6) Path: news.mv.net!newspeer.phoen-x.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!micro-heart-of-gold.mit.edu!nntp.club.cc.cmu.edu!xxxx1.sei.cmu.edu!bb3.andrew.cmu.edu!andrew.cmu.edu!sager+ Xref: news.mv.net comp.os.msdos.djgpp:103139 Excerpts from netnews.comp.os.msdos.djgpp: 3-Sep-100 Re: [Cspace] Survey says! P.. by Damian Yerrick AT hotmail DOT c > >Excerpts from netnews.comp.os.msdos.djgpp: 2-Sep-100 Re: [Cspace] Survey > >says! P.. by Damian Yerrick AT hotmail DOT c > >> >Bad command or file name > >> > >> If you ever see BCOFN followed by an error in make, read the > >> appropriate part of the makefile in Emacs or Notepad to see > >> what you haven't yet downloaded, built, and installed. > > > >I feel like I'm being taught to fish instead of just given the fish... > > Being taught to fish reduces mailing list traffic. Its a good idea in theory, but I learn by example. If you tell me whats wrong, I'll expand upon it, and use it later. For example, you only told me how to compile the first two libraries, but I managed to compile the .jpeg as well because of this problem... I assumed to try and get everything to work. Regardless. I can't fix my problem, so I spent a better part of yesterday trying to figure out Forge something website and crystalspace. I dug through a couple thousand k of mailing list articles, and forum things on my problem, with only 1 other person having the same problem, but no replies. All I'm doing now is waiting on the mailing list to work if it is at all, I can't tell because I haven't gotten a message. I figure I'll give it a couple more days before I putz around some more and officially give this 3d stuff up to go back to coding I know how to do. I know I sound like I'm whining, but don't be fooled, I'm just discouraged. I love the idea of open source and all(I spend time pondering new economical theories of intellectuall property with open source as a guideline), but I think linux people have the wrong idea thinking,"If they're not smart enough to compile my code, they probably aren't smart enough to use or make improvements to it." Without a team of programmers, a corporation to back me with its libraries of code, or people friendly open source, independent developing will continue to be hell because of the fundamental overhead involved with reinventing the wheel. The resultant is corporations releasing good graphical games with next to nothing gameplay wise. I wish I could just play games and content myself to that, but I swear even the well talked about games end up just having incredible imbalances or flaws that make them not worth playing... Maybe the hype is generated because the company knows its releasing a bombshell. I could give examples of this but I don't need to waste my breath, I'm sure every game coder smart enough to be developing in DJGPP knows exactly what I mean.