From: cs19 AT cityscape DOT co DOT uk (BDC Client Team) Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.djgpp Subject: Re: Allegro/Newsgroup Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 12:44:03 GMT Organization: IP-GOLD User Message-ID: <863441043.6579.0.nnrp-3.9e9829a4@news.demon.co.uk> References: <199705111602 DOT MAA08446 AT delorie DOT com> NNTP-Posting-Host: itsb.demon.co.uk Lines: 41 To: djgpp AT delorie DOT com DJ-Gateway: from newsgroup comp.os.msdos.djgpp Precedence: bulk . Also, these days it is full of Windows coders >who have a nasty habit of flaming anyone who asks a question related to >DOS programming :-) I don't read it any more because there are just too >many nasty people there... Yup, I can relate to that - I know that I have posted some VERY dumb questions to our newsgroup but have always received constructive courteous replies. The same cannot be said for rec.games.programming. rec.games.programming seems to be populated by some very elitist individuals who think that knowledge of games programming should be kept to a small group of people and that anyone who doesn't fit their very narrow definition of 'coder' (and this includes the persons choice of platform - i.e. dos/windows) is either (a) just asking to be flamed/ridiculed or (b) just not worth speaking to. I'm not saying that everyone in this group is like that, but there are certainly a large amount who are - just look at some of the flame wars that have developed in that group over things as petty as the sex of the programmer (see thread: Female Coders) It strikes me that the spirit of the djgpp newsgroup is one of mutual help and support regardless of the ability/location/sex/colour of eyes/etc of the individual (perhaps this stems from the freeware nature of the compiler?) And I would not like to lose this by moving discussions of games to rec.games.programming. If the non-game djgpp enthusiasts don't mind all the allegro/game traffic on the newsgroup, why split off? I'm sure that we all benefit from the varied traffic that comes through. I think that by creating a separate group there would be a danger of becoming too insular (and even perhaps becoming as elitist as rec.games.programming :-0) Besides, I'm sure that if the groups did split, we would all subscribe to both ng's anyway - so where's the benefit? Oh well, these are just my thoughts on the matter - I hope I haven't offended anybody (if you do subscribe to rec.games.programming and you're reading this, you are obviously one of the nice ones ;-) cheers all Neil http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Park/1077