DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.4.2 delorie.com 57MHfK4Z2341367 Authentication-Results: delorie.com; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=cygwin.com Authentication-Results: delorie.com; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=cygwin.com DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 delorie.com 57MHfK4Z2341367 Authentication-Results: delorie.com; dkim=pass (1024-bit key, unprotected) header.d=cygwin.com header.i=@cygwin.com header.a=rsa-sha256 header.s=default header.b=dFxKRQ6K X-Recipient: archive-cygwin AT delorie DOT com DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 sourceware.org B596038515C3 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cygwin.com; s=default; t=1755884478; bh=zGHHyhCkTCxYlElS2ORFFhbee/HaZIkE76ZB4yAsfYE=; h=References:In-Reply-To:Date:Subject:To:Cc:List-Id: List-Unsubscribe:List-Archive:List-Post:List-Help:List-Subscribe: From:Reply-To:From; b=dFxKRQ6KoU/Jd2r9hA2zy8P7G4QNECpGNrlOjESEU/GhyA5yuEaBmpaGeECUCOWHO gmqSKER4kJxcLpXUgFjZ0l3/7zz4kj1Qa87cizZ64rraP4p2qXfcwKJ7JsJpucKAqh MO2j1dSinbEC8qK9TeOaD/CU1VHpwFF0TNA5tMsY= X-Original-To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Delivered-To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.4.2 sourceware.org 39C66385840B ARC-Filter: OpenARC Filter v1.0.0 sourceware.org 39C66385840B ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=sourceware.org; s=key; t=1755884418; cv=none; b=sm3FjvYqQUV87gRsDo15TY9PToBHER4MSqssC+F2Dvm5ZTIKfWs924Tp+detUezC7XydYW+ktcFsQA9V90DnP69xmdziRa+KfbJkKogvjhR27a7PsiQSsU7UBjIz9Rfn6KmuQQnl3f9HRdEBTxS7a+LozUlmnQKFkA8eQO47lCo= ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=sourceware.org; s=key; t=1755884418; c=relaxed/simple; bh=LSi11EEBAe42nAGW+4Ka6VPc8EEra5eIm8Hiyertd8A=; h=DKIM-Signature:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID:Subject:To; b=d298p1rUFraRpxgwqAtoK0ge7gxksGiqozEFgfgofK7IIspYCDPbJt/qS2dITrF+Px26jukvMAhe2VCoqW6w9p9QM67KmrbtisMtil/cp/l2fSgb20Lu9cqPI36FgRy4xbTwVeR/cVSbw+gB0RLyaI4MQRdh5DJNYPqofgoWrJk= ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; server2.sourceware.org DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 sourceware.org 39C66385840B X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1755884416; x=1756489216; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=wonofQxggXakRJLBrqwBD+omY8zcK+a49oPjNE4Bxic=; b=Ltu8PZFwymb5riA8kGUWMG3KJd3hKCOPB7TwDDuu1DlDkrW7hb9tgKmXcQmwJBfX2t gIrQJz+itInGnxU9XlMe6hW/7Fl4+ZePl+LJzUAjIUUU1j5CgxeqFoO3+g/NYs68PuGH 52kLcwO3WeE+Wu+aSBYGO0d4Y4NYx9bX4ey+ElZ8aeH4EUnaSHpqPZ4MhkdFd2aMzweP UQiExvVGzsGtAZ/ouCTQga/9oGly5c5xeiF6lxG50jP8Zi67pvhHLqiS5sWv1pvDgI2U JMZ6ERIDnDf8FfZuPrgOMQq2v5JrtTQ/RbB+TDK04aamtzdheo5JtVNnfkQx2EHKMAHC gSWA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0Yz4WCzS7oQKzD51P+HrEwvE5E/FwaaPD8DgTdqrNDYti16AXLZE XvXI5DW5OnvEPVozmkDL2wIV4HPbua1p7ssVpyu25GYOds9RsVl8u7QVzwiMGJDL5CPeXMf7ugT 7oRetb4UQZLLaXju78Ye5E1J6bvV7a8Y1uSOv X-Gm-Gg: ASbGncug9JihwAEoxo241SA7e6PIBitcbzFFdCNxaTlhOem3QxHSScWMgM72RDa7PB1 Dmc1u4m9XQJykHoV/HmIqhVM6mpkQXR3uk+m0CLZD7BBZUKAf1okcqL717nNCzQJ6puxLUQssYp Z2sjzuqLZC8gcOlsLah19dbr+zAh6NfrtdvUHLSHhRJClUibeQyc1eCH+jpypjyvdgQIeRXxENu JxR X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IGQg+Q7dxCxrXVz8Bc6SoOtvOJ9xdFolcikfHT5jsCOZbCLyQGMa9zub1XDZKtEwSGRQwclB4cmLwOah609344= X-Received: by 2002:a05:651c:41c3:b0:335:2d39:4438 with SMTP id 38308e7fff4ca-3365102a6f7mr11789531fa.43.1755884416167; Fri, 22 Aug 2025 10:40:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2025 13:40:03 -0400 X-Gm-Features: Ac12FXzuI4vPIiQx0DmwwBrq89b7XnILE5L-RdMX3YEZPc-F57moHD4GnWYGPwM Message-ID: Subject: Re: Irritating artifacts of the python variety To: Dave Trombley Cc: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.30 X-BeenThere: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.30 List-Id: General Cygwin discussions and problem reports List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , From: Soren via Cygwin Reply-To: Soren Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: "Cygwin" Dave Trombly replied to me with: You will likely break things if you link the system 'pip' like that, the tools installed on the system are not in the default path for a reason. ... Please strongly consider using virtual environments when doing any sort of Python development - this is near universal / standard now. This way, you will be running the tools (including pip) located in your venv, and not the site-installed tools. I'll take your recommendation very seriously, I appreciate the advice. In this case, I will humbly point out, I wasn't really doing python development (but I will in the future) -- I was just trying to install a relatively simple script. I'm spoiled by Perl: "Keep simple things simple and make difficult things possible." :-) -- Soren 'tino -- Problem reports: https://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: https://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: https://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: https://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple