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Am 24.07.2025 um 16:08 schrieb Corinna Vinschen:
> On Jul 24 15:41, Thomas Wolff via Cygwin wrote:
>> Am 24.07.2025 um 12:30 schrieb Corinna Vinschen:
>>> What does that mean?  Consider this UTF8 input string:
>>>
>>>     0xf0 0x90 0x80 0x2e
>>>
>>>     mbstowcs:     returns -1
>>>     sys_mbstowcs: f0f0 f090 f080 002e
>>>
>>> Let's convert it back to multibyte:
>>>
>>>     sys_wcstombs: 0xf0 0x90 0x80 0x2e
>>>     wcstombs:     0xef 0x83 0xb0 0xef 0x82 0x90 0xef 0x82 0x80 0x2e
>>>
>>> So while sys_wcstombs has special code converting the string back to its
>>> original MB string, wcstombs converts to the CESU-8 representation.
>>>
>>> This is transparent.  If we convert this CESU-8 string back to
>>> wide-char, the resulting wide-char strings are the same:
>>>
>>>     mbstowcs:     f0f0 f090 f080 002e
>>>     sys_mbstowcs: f0f0 f090 f080 002e
>>>
>>> So the question here is, shall we keep the special case converting
>>> private use area bytes back to their original byte encoding?
>>>
>>> Or shall simply go along with CESU-8 when converting back to multibyte
>>> to keep the string the same as with wcstombs?
>>>
>>> Exempt from this are the characters not valid in a DOS filename.
>>> These will always be converted if we create wide-char filenames.
>> Sounds like a fair solution with only minor glitches. Poor 4th byte but
>> thanks a lot anyway.
>> About the latter decision, if there's no strong bias otherwise, I'd prefer
>> to drop special handling (but don't take my vote, I don't care so much about
>> that).
> Thanks for your input.
>
> As another datapoint we have to consider how sys_wcstombs is used.
>
> wcstombs on a filename will be used by the application only, and only if
> the filename is incoming application level data or has been converted to a
> wide char by the application itself.
>
> sys_wcstombs will be used to generate a readable multi-byte filename from
> UTF-16 filenames read from the filesystem.  So it's major use in terms of
> filenames is by readdir().
>
> Knowing that, the question boils down to this:
>
> Do we want readdir() returning the same name as given to open(), or is
> CESU-8 sufficent?
You mean for "normal" cases (i.e. proper non-BMP characters, not invalid 
stuff or handled special or private range characters)?
In that case, I'd not expect or wish to handle CESU-8, as an application 
developer.
Thomas

>
>
> Corinna


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