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charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 2025-04-01 02:37, Corinna Vinschen via Cygwin wrote: > On Mar 31 23:26, Brian Inglis via Cygwin wrote: >> On 2025-03-31 12:49, Corinna Vinschen via Cygwin wrote: >>> On Mar 31 12:35, Brian Inglis via Cygwin wrote: >> [...] >>>> Has anyone a feel if there are any other projects on that list whose man >>>> pages would be useful under Cygwin even if the package itself is not >>>> available, or even individual man pages where they are not currently >>>> available? >> >>> We have quite a few functions which might be only available on BSD systems, >>> and we have these Solaris ACL functions which don't exist on Linux. We >>> probably can't use the man pages from Solaris due to copyright constraints, >>> but the FreeBSD man pages should be ok. >> >> The Solaris man pages were made available under the CDDL or PDL derived from >> MPL: we have Solaris 10 and OpenSolaris 2010 available on the freebsd.org >> site, >> a well as most other OSes anyone might want: 520 of them, from 7th Edition, >> 2.10BSD, 386BSD, thru 4.4Lite2, . > > Oh, great. > >> Space required for FreeBSD man pages is comparable to man-pages-linux - >> should we make all FreeBSD 15.0 current man pages available similar to >> man-pages-linux - man-pages-freebsd package and directory under >> /usr/share/man/ symlinked as freebsd for convenience with man -m|--systems >> SYSTEM,...? >> >> Or should we stick to the original idea and package only selected missing >> man pages in the other sections of posix.xml as man-pages-extra? > > Your call. As long as we don't have dedicated people creating matching > man pages for Cygwin (very unlikely for such a small project), we'll > never have 100% accurate man pages either way. So it might be a bit too > much hassle to tweak the FreeBSD man pages into a form matching Cygwin. The intent would be select from acl, FreeBSD, Solaris, whatever is needed, and not do any tweaking. For comparison, I attach lists of acl man pages from acl project, FreeBSD 15, OpenSolaris 2010, and Solaris 10 tars of man pages. > The only question is, assuming as a user I have have man-pages-linux > and man-pages-freebsd installed. How do I decide on the command line > which of them I see? Based on man-pages-linux announcements, for man-pages-freebsd we could say (TL;DR: look at end): "As Cygwin has its own man pages with some overlap, these man pages are installed under /usr/share/man/man-pages-freebsd/, so by default searching or viewing these pages requires the option: $ apropos -m|--systems man-pages-freebsd... $ man -m|--systems man-pages-freebsd ... Cygwin man pages are under the default system "man", so for convenience both systems may be specified separated by comma e.g. $ man -m man,man-pages-freebsd ... The path or option may also be added explicitly to a user's MANPATH or alias e.g. $ export MANPATH=$MANPATH:/usr/share/man/man-pages-freebsd $ alias apropos='apropos -m man,man-pages-freebsd' $ alias man='man -m man,man-pages-freebsd' Add -a to show both Cygwin and FreeBSD (and Linux and POSIX if companion packages man-pages-linux and/or man-pages-posix are also installed) manual pages, for example: $ alias man='man -m man,man-pages-freebsd,man-pages-linux,man-pages-posix' where man page display is prioritized by alphabetic directory order of systems, rather than option order (which is explicitly supported for sections selection). For convenience and backward compatibility /usr/share/man/freebsd is provided as a symlink. If you prefer to see FreeBSD man pages over Cygwin man pages, then use -m|--systems freebsd in the examples above, or add -m freebsd to a man command." -- Take care. Thanks, Brian Inglis Calgary, Alberta, Canada La perfection est atteinte Perfection is achieved non pas lorsqu'il n'y a plus rien à ajouter not when there is no more to add mais lorsqu'il n'y a plus rien à retrancher but when there is no more to cut -- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry --------------H0ZZXK60mkkBp1L14w7a1vBR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; name="acl-tar-man-acl.log" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="acl-tar-man-acl.log" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 YWNsLTIuMy4yL21hbi9tYW4xL2NoYWNsLjEKYWNsLTIuMy4yL21hbi9tYW4xL2dldGZhY2wu MQphY2wtMi4zLjIvbWFuL21hbjEvc2V0ZmFjbC4xCmFjbC0yLjMuMi9tYW4vbWFuMy9hY2xf YWRkX3Blcm0uMwphY2wtMi4zLjIvbWFuL21hbjMvYWNsX2NhbGNfbWFzay4zCmFjbC0yLjMu Mi9tYW4vbWFuMy9hY2xfY2hlY2suMwphY2wtMi4zLjIvbWFuL21hbjMvYWNsX2NsZWFyX3Bl cm1zLjMKYWNsLTIuMy4yL21hbi9tYW4zL2FjbF9jbXAuMwphY2wtMi4zLjIvbWFuL21hbjMv YWNsX2NvcHlfZW50cnkuMwphY2wtMi4zLjIvbWFuL21hbjMvYWNsX2NvcHlfZXh0LjMKYWNs LTIuMy4yL21hbi9tYW4zL2FjbF9jb3B5X2ludC4zCmFjbC0yLjMuMi9tYW4vbWFuMy9hY2xf 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