DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 delorie.com 4A3E8w11995961 Authentication-Results: delorie.com; dkim=pass (1024-bit key, unprotected) header.d=cygwin.com header.i=@cygwin.com header.a=rsa-sha256 header.s=default header.b=gxwi7XV5 X-Recipient: archive-cygwin AT delorie DOT com DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 sourceware.org 506D83857BA7 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cygwin.com; s=default; t=1730642936; bh=C2dxpYBaHzrYrZJP9Rw2i2VoYaUcQ2fOEU9D4s1M55s=; h=Date:Subject:To:References:In-Reply-To:List-Id:List-Unsubscribe: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Help:List-Subscribe:From:Reply-To:Cc: From; b=gxwi7XV5KMBYuXPeoyu7nSa1B5rfThQBvV+FR6yUldAqZeaAblrRNNOxWjUfIBLI/ syC3ZUyoV01jX+TV+nvqS/UK1IzoJWkmqNJkbHwowM/gZsEZkRJULkKncXhxFuG2KM uz4JCkHvAF+bvS4sjiNGqRKfk/0f0z2ykkUM+uwk= X-Original-To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Delivered-To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.4.2 sourceware.org 766973858D33 ARC-Filter: OpenARC Filter v1.0.0 sourceware.org 766973858D33 ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=sourceware.org; s=key; t=1730642884; cv=none; b=cceDp19K5oz2u2eFOmVebGEbfNj/syK3uyFX67XbquVrJSsQ/IYbPURVQi4UeSOdMtZCuKbIiGqw7pfEKSng4Xj8dyOrPS8tAe3bz2ig/bd+jWmfb/nTJJZMjTuxgxWSle07B9bgc6glcYZmVhXH67HZL77B0GQr9lIPsvKU2Qw= ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=sourceware.org; s=key; t=1730642884; c=relaxed/simple; bh=Jgho5WrLIeuATutG8j1VeODKsUaamuNRzd0zDZ2AMI4=; h=Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Subject:To:From:DKIM-Signature; b=wWrbYKgYp3Agfr1/3OB8Q3CZ+kfW1YryjdDsrpcs1UHHKSy4f5gaA/7Np/fbt8MY67M874EO6FjBlpL+orZlYlOSmkxyV6fUFHuOEENb39Wbt/ho6taqDIHqj2ngnGFeEnAnon6cQpQ0EGxcRY+ZnleibEvD8P5uMWulWgqgVEE= ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; server2.sourceware.org Message-ID: Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2024 07:07:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: g++ 12 -std=gnu++20 Content-Language: en-CA To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com References: <48e51b50-63db-4b14-b321-46942e40862e AT SystematicSW DOT ab DOT ca> <3805509C-51BA-46F9-95A3-007CE99B014A AT unified-streaming DOT com> <764d17ab-a660-4e89-8fd3-175e93f11507 AT gmail DOT com> <575d416a-7ee0-4e85-82f2-d97b4cd511da AT SystematicSW DOT ab DOT ca> <87r07tfdz5 DOT fsf AT Gerda DOT invalid> Organization: Systematic Software In-Reply-To: <87r07tfdz5.fsf@Gerda.invalid> X-Rspamd-Server: rspamout04 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 129DB80011 X-Stat-Signature: kcxnpiyfsfhjri8t6gsunnucw3ebsbwr X-Session-Marker: 427269616E2E496E676C69734053797374656D6174696353572E61622E6361 X-Session-ID: U2FsdGVkX19u/Y3qwewWATkoFoFrAp2NsRsy/g4Cm0g= X-HE-Tag: 1730642850-491279 X-HE-Meta: U2FsdGVkX1+qqc3hIiy+QUbSa46zjsj4UwH5xqkDgGjnozK6wVBSOJBm1iaRkkWO3ML1x+EfEgGz75WBsmY5V2d4K47g9Czz+6JcbCEPEW7iTBXcGudkP5GHTOk2pQQ2SzV0nX+EqGRbbkeLyu9+qzSfye/qxOmCd4xXGGOvoL2Sk3Z0Z93WwPLA1cSKz7YwIxLnRWQxbCvyI5rAg1lBmOPIThji7X1OpMqS68WczQFunZvK4X79xosP7eh5ql8iOngmYLH5j9sDu4hnrRcBPBelMecQtq/A++uyn+WlURTq3Kql7lyF4vliQ85EwzMIUVQJCFECvSdgIu64YzEBXNE1VHcsFjDL/uvwpgr1aWIkNJXaruVNUA== X-BeenThere: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.30 Precedence: list List-Id: General Cygwin discussions and problem reports List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , From: Brian Inglis via Cygwin Reply-To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Cc: Brian Inglis Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: cygwin-bounces~archive-cygwin=delorie DOT com AT cygwin DOT com Sender: "Cygwin" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by delorie.com id 4A3E8w11995961 On 2024-11-02 16:49, ASSI via Cygwin wrote: > Dimitry Andric via Cygwin writes: >> I think most Linux distributions have switched fully to the new ABI by >> now, and dropped support for the old ABI, so they configure their >> gcc's with _GLIBCXX_USE_CXX11_ABI=1 by default. I struggled to find any Cygwin or online docs mentioning this, until the poster linked: https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/libstdc++/manual/using_dual_abi.html, when I realised there are docs provided only for gcc/g++, objc/objc++, gccint, gfortran, libgccjit, libgomp, libquadmath, but nothing for libstdc++, not even info or man pages. Is there any chance we could possibly get libstdc++.info* or man pages included with the build, or as (a) separate -doc package(s), and possibly other libraries or components where info or man pages are available, and may not currently be built or installed? > They also have the luxury of full distro rebuilds every once in a while. > > I wouldn't mind getting rid of this historical wart with the switch to > gcc-13 sometime next year if someone can convince me that the existing > packages (many of which have no current maintainer and therefore will > not be easily rebuilt) keep working. In particular, Qt5 should still be > linkable and function with packages built before and after the switch. Given that cygwin/-devel is likely built with the old ABI, is there any point in trying to build libraries/packages that *require* the new ABI features in C++20? I am asking to adopt dependent orphaned packages, just so I *can* rebuild them with the new ABI, so is trying this exercise going to be futile? One upstream refuses to support distros that do not support C++20 compilers, so curl and wget2 will hopefully continue to build with their current package! -- Take care. Thanks, Brian Inglis Calgary, Alberta, Canada La perfection est atteinte Perfection is achieved non pas lorsqu'il n'y a plus rien à ajouter not when there is no more to add mais lorsqu'il n'y a plus rien à retirer but when there is no more to cut -- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry -- Problem reports: https://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: https://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: https://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: https://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple