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On Wed, Oct 16, 2024, 10:42 p.m. Eliot Moss wrote: > On 10/16/2024 6:42 PM, Mike Yearwood via Cygwin wrote: > > I took over a 3 year long project. The previous programmer painted > himself > > into a corner and found me. I showed my work to the client. The other > > programmer was retiring. In 4 months, I rebuilt his 3 years work. During > > the next 8 months, I finished and expanded the project for a total of > > $80k. Client independently rewrote the system within the last 3 years at > a > > cost of $600,000 so far. This is all too common. > > So there are different levels of (in)competence out there. Not surprising. > It's also not too surprising that a degree does not *guarantee* competence. > There is probably some correlation or even causation between degrees and > competence, but certainly it is not absolute. Even experience is no > guarantee. > > Your point is ... ? > > Regards - Eliot Moss > -- Problem reports: https://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: https://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: https://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: https://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple