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Hi Brian-

thank you for not steering me down the AI road this time. I will try to follow the cool advice you gave and maybe get cygports and when I am more awake will read the rest carefully.

THANKS SO MUCH.

have cool day.

jim



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On Wednesday, October 9th, 2024 at 11:08 PM, Brian Inglis via Cygwin <cygwin AT cygwin DOT com> wrote:

> Hi Jim,
> 
> That AI is probably hallucinating ancient advice for legacy versions, like your
> other instructions below were.
> 
> If you told us the name or source of your package, we could be more helpful.
> 
> If cygport, or autoconf and automake, are installed, you have a version of
> aclocal, that may be used by autoreconf as required.
> 
> You should always use Cygwin packaged versions of build tool packages, as they
> have the customizations required to build using non-ELF PE format supporting
> utilities and use Cygwin shared libraries and Windows system DLLs.
> 
> Otherwise you will have to redo all the effort put into building Msys2 (or the
> Cygwin tool base) just to get to the point where you have tools that will work
> with Cygwin.
> 
> Or you can use a BSD or Linux VM and their toolchains if you don't need Windows
> support.
> 
> Normally current modern autotools packages include configure.ac which is used as
> a template by autoreconf (-f -i -v most often) running autoconf to customize a
> ./configure script, which when run detects system characteristics, then runs
> automake which uses those with the template Makefile.am(s) to customize
> Makefile(s), allowing you to run make.
> 
> Have a look at what cygport cygautoreconf does with autoreconf:
> 
> https://cygwin.com/git/?p=cygwin-apps/cygport.git;a=blob;f=cygclass/autotools.cygclass#l203
> 
> https://cygwin.com/git/?p=cygwin-apps/cygport.git;a=blob;f=cygclass/autotools.cygclass#l549
> 
> or if cygport installed:
> 
> ${VISUAL:-${EDITOR:-less}} '+/\/cygautoreconf$' \
> /usr/share/cygport/cygclass/autotools.cygclass
> 
> and
> 
> /^\s*autoreconf\s
> 
> For background see the docs in:
> 
> $ info autoconf autoreconf
> $ info automake aclocal
> 
> Similarly with cmake, ninja, and other build toolchains: see the cygport
> cygclass doc entries and scripts, and the relevant man pages.
> 
> --
> Take care. Thanks, Brian Inglis Calgary, Alberta, Canada
> 
> La perfection est atteinte Perfection is achieved
> non pas lorsqu'il n'y a plus rien à ajouter not when there is no more to add
> mais lorsqu'il n'y a plus rien à retirer but when there is no more to cut
> -- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
> 
> 
> On 2024-10-09 18:52, Jim McNamara via Cygwin wrote:
> 
> > I harnessed the power of AI, and it advised to do edits to like makefile.am and one other file I can pull the name to tomorrow after I get some sleep since I dont have automake-bin. Also, as a strategy i could install automake from gnu and gain access to that tool which is probably the route i will go because running anything without the command aclocal and going to refresh it.
> > 
> > This is all abstraction to me other than I am jumping though some hoops to get it on there.
> 
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, October 9th, 2024 at 8:07 PM, Jim McNamara via Cygwin wrote:
> 
> > > I had tried autoreconf -i.
> > > I will keep thinking about it.
> > > I am in a bit of a loop trying to troubleshoot it.
> > > On Wednesday, October 9th, 2024 at 7:05 PM, Brian Inglis via Cygwin wrote:
> > > 
> > > > On 2024-10-09 15:20, Jim McNamara via Cygwin wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > which package does cygwin have for automake-bin. I need aclocal because the software i am installing has a newer automake, autoconf, and libtool than what is available than the dir that resides in ./configure dir. It instructed me to do this:
> > > > > thanks for any help guys.
> 
> > > > > Steps to Resolve the Issue
> > > > > Install automake-bin:
> > > > > 
> > > > > Run the Cygwin setup executable (setup-x86_64.exe for 64-bit).
> > > > > Search for automake-bin.
> > > > > Make sure it is selected for installation.
> > > > > Reinstall automake:
> > > > > 
> > > > > To ensure compatibility, you might also want to reinstall the automake package alongside automake-bin.
> > > > > Verify Installation:
> > > > > 
> > > > > After installation, check if aclocal is now available:
> > > > > bash
> > > > > Copy code
> > > > > aclocal --version
> > > > > Regenerate Build Files:
> > > > > 
> > > > > Once aclocal is installed, you can run the necessary commands to regenerate your project’s build files:
> > > > > bash
> > > > > Copy code
> > > > > aclocal
> > > > > autoconf
> > > > > automake --add-missing
> > > > > Continue the Build Process:
> > > > > 
> > > > > After regenerating the files, proceed with configuring and building your project:
> > > > > bash
> > > > > Copy code
> > > > > ./configure --prefix=/usr/
> > > > > make
> > > > > By ensuring that both automake and automake-bin are installed, you should be able to resolve the version issues and successfully run aclocal. If you continue to face problems, please let me know!
> > > > 
> > > > Those must be really old instructions!
> > > > Check on the Cygwin Time Machine for automake-bin.
> > > > Repology.org has no hits for automake-bin, mostly just automake, including
> > > > Cygwin, and a couple of instances of automake-common and automake-vanilla.
> > > > That could also just be a reference to BSD or similar ports package names.
> > > > 
> > > > Normally on Cygwin package builds, you run autoreconf to update the package
> > > > autotools scripts and macros, and use or apply Cygwin adaptations to macros for
> > > > tool variants.
> > > > It is normally easier to install cygport and create a cygport script with
> > > > minimal variable definitions to automagically build and check a package using
> > > > autotools.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --
> Take care. Thanks, Brian Inglis Calgary, Alberta, Canada
> 
> La perfection est atteinte Perfection is achieved
> non pas lorsqu'il n'y a plus rien à ajouter not when there is no more to add
> mais lorsqu'il n'y a plus rien à retirer but when there is no more to cut
> -- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
> 
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