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On Sun, Sep 29, 2024 at 10:12 AM Radek Barton
<radek DOT barton AT microsoft DOT com> wrote:
>
> Hello Mark.
>
> I am working on Cygwin/MSYS2 Arm64 port though this is something that could not be
> delivered in matter of months. Can you please describe your use/business case more
> in detail to help up understand the priorities? Why is MSYS2 32bit or, e.g. WSL, not
> working for you?

WSL has a couple of problems for us:
- WSL is far too big (many GB), Cygwin's core parts (cygwin1.dll) is
small (10MB, full useable cygwin can be reduced to 40MB)
- WSL cannot be deployed as part of a product, i.e. Cygwin can be
bundled with a product or project, WSL is completely independent
- WSL consumes lots of main memory even if not in use, Cygwin is just
another Windows DLL
- WSL requires separate admin skills, so it is much more expensive for
an IT department
- WSL is actually a VM with an OS, so it generates CVE which needs to be handled
- WSL apps cannot communicate with Windows apps
- WSL is buggy. The 9p filesystem network provider keeps crashing for
us if you try to access SMB or NFS shares
- WSL is not stable for end-user systems. It needs to be bootet, you
need to wait until its finished booting, and if you don't shut it down
it will corrupt its own filesystem. Permanent headaches with this damn
thing

Compare this to Cygwin, which is just another Windows DLL, fast and
easy to deploy and use, and the Windows admins are not permanently
angry about it

Mark
-- 
IT Infrastructure Consultant
Windows, Linux

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