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Content-Language: en-CA To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com References: <9d6fc496-ee07-4e6b-9bee-9cc18c04c620 AT gmail DOT com> Organization: Systematic Software In-Reply-To: X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 9B7AA2000E X-Stat-Signature: tfppftc5d4ubqe8m3rfrjjuju4tabcmy X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, KAM_DMARC_STATUS, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL, SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_PASS, TXREP, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 X-Rspamd-Server: rspamout01 X-Session-Marker: 427269616E2E496E676C69734053797374656D6174696353572E61622E6361 X-Session-ID: U2FsdGVkX1+8w2+xSAXH8/vWHoOvEetPonXDGD/+vMs= X-HE-Tag: 1702919897-630581 X-HE-Meta: U2FsdGVkX1+pX55+9o3NdvZmBegXaKKi0oasW0COyNELp5yz56hXF7fT2q3oKra1p8Xm1JclWmBHDzFjm3n0zxUmwRpne8tA45G2u/Zr+mTMz3jXv5jdjEKfbsRp0htrUqxMuYfCtA9RUWXl+1uteaDy4MDQbOgNCEgU7QV/xaZUOJBcHvanzNAclcm3kzKcDfdoPvuQspLmWOiIiT2oODdGnvtIDfCVbhPA8Y5hYUT0xz6+to7PUIeTR5T0JHKbXlclbVvTIYL3VgK/sk80OkCZYGsgCOnVp2hJpIXnENXPkyOl7GwYcCi6hgGtQL0hPTMFZRJlXNOOGoRSYxXeekER/bi1RDqFaJ7EfaM17H4NWQkjEwnWARDaLwSOeeZGYWkCg+linHxQrPCFEv5soA== X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on server2.sourceware.org X-BeenThere: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.30 Precedence: list List-Id: General Cygwin discussions and problem reports List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , From: Brian Inglis via Cygwin Reply-To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Cc: Brian Inglis Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: cygwin-bounces+archive-cygwin=delorie DOT com AT cygwin DOT com Sender: "Cygwin" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by delorie.com id 3BIHIbtN030661 On 2023-12-18 05:26, marco atzeri via Cygwin wrote: > On Mon, Dec 18, 2023 at 12:22 PM Cedric Blancher wrote: >> On Mon, 18 Dec 2023 at 07:58, Marco Atzeri wrote: >>> On 18/12/2023 07:45, Dan Shelton via Cygwin wrote: >>>> I don't see whether this has been discussed before, >>>> but PLEASE could Cygwin get a bug tracker (BUGZILLA!)? >>> https://cygwin.com/acronyms/#SHTDI >>> the bandwidth of current maintainers is the major constraint >>> The current bugtracker is this mailing list >> Yeah, from a project administrator and project management viewpoint >> this is just stupid. > Maybe, but it works for us. >> A bug tracker like Bugzilla would improve the "little bandwidth" the >> maintainers have, by organising them better. It would make them more >> efficient. That said, PLEASE don't use JIRA or AZURE bugtracker, that >> would be an overkill and lead to worse performance. Just plain old >> Bugzilla. > You are assuming that we are a coordinated large team. > We are few maintainers working very asynchronous > Feel free to join us and improve the things > https://cygwin.com/contrib.html From what I've seen from entering bugs into various BugZilla and similar systems, that's where bugs go to be ignored, perhaps discussed, marked WONTFIX or low priority, and left to linger, often for years or decades, before being addressed or just closed. Volunteer project managers each have their own priorities and availability, and volunteer developers each have their own interests and availability, and they may not align, so developers may not jump in to deal with what project managers think need handled, and sometimes volunteers wear both hats, so have to decide how much of their limited time to spend on each role. At least on this list, users, maintainers, and developers can have a discussion, when they have time available to respond, and if agreed, provide a fix in a reasonable timeframe for the next stable release, with test snapshots or releases often available frequently. -- Take care. Thanks, Brian Inglis Calgary, Alberta, Canada La perfection est atteinte Perfection is achieved non pas lorsqu'il n'y a plus rien à ajouter not when there is no more to add mais lorsqu'il n'y a plus rien à retirer but when there is no more to cut -- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry -- Problem reports: https://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: https://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: https://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: https://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple