X-Recipient: archive-cygwin AT delorie DOT com X-Original-To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Delivered-To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.4.1 sourceware.org 8DB8F385624D Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=holgerdanske.com Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=holgerdanske.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=holgerdanske.com; s=nov-20210719-112354; t=1653509210; bh=JIJtVFC3KGysQFDHtsGNvEfv3hcs0IREGm0uDhjucqU=; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:User-Agent:Subject: Content-Language:To:References:From:In-Reply-To:Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=43SFra8QhNkEY0gRQXS7UqO1uHuGfk/Alk19E2AdZY/JF/algvM3/ueBT9aHleqN4 AosXoKAL/TOrG0LQpUAPlGVvRBLCSvQS1TeqdEBFzE6cfDAD+8bgfoR5edEJfKdJzd J07xVUPJfahQZGG/8+8M56e9oREqyox7d+A/OHt4GbvpqdAoLuBWgOHDiWImUiprvA 4gmR+++NC96m9f5+Wr9Z6RnFe/9+ZKCNDO2zQMZ0Wq8j2C71l784j6qK5c6+dTnY3b lrmwLKawTrJaCVhUBVchJS0E8au41BHLrcO+Ba67gB8O6/BiMqxJykeNfMNjBtiDwy +MsWk6i6egUuimDckIbG7nHV5VWbGfn2Yu95Ej3GguZRMvOG9IKxOIy6LCgwNHUNYb Kj7cpd3IOwwvSl0Wpues8AOIDwCSUWvAr7iM7wNMnDJ1mVjzKd3t9phcpCHrkmN4lb oiBTK3fAlFXvw3FZuaxjA9daZogNt1AWppI+z5xMYqoxbEojck6GNaEZheQj3+cvZt gUj4LW4Ul8bfawFkeZrEdlyTkFHcoccElYZwG9RHLtSP1Gs49efppw+TQtfO6Mxu8h /N5zvai0EHA5WX6xYbd3YNqAbRAAk0VWmyGI6HRVqvXfQ7k6qL+lm8525izHdYwUwg mfsMztEJCrMCSo+XMevs/OVg= Message-ID: <20eb0497-c06f-d949-7c35-31318455cf27@holgerdanske.com> Date: Wed, 25 May 2022 13:06:49 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/91.8.0 Subject: Re: Cygwin Perl has slowed in recent months Content-Language: en-US To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com References: <9a24b87b-e71d-9371-5d78-2b0f160adacd AT holgerdanske DOT com> From: David Christensen In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU, DKIM_VALID_EF, NICE_REPLY_A, SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_PASS, TXREP, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on server2.sourceware.org X-BeenThere: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: General Cygwin discussions and problem reports List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: cygwin-bounces+archive-cygwin=delorie DOT com AT cygwin DOT com Sender: "Cygwin" On 5/25/22 08:04, gs-cygwin DOT com AT gluelogic DOT com wrote: > On Tue, May 24, 2022 at 11:36:21PM -0700, David Christensen wrote: >> I went back to the desktop computer that I have been using for Cygwin Perl >> testing: >> > [...] >> >> 'make test' produced the following result: >> >> 99 wallclock secs ( 1.76 usr 0.41 sys + 342.21 cusr 375.40 csys = 719.78 >> CPU) >> > [...] >> I ran Cygwin setup-x86_64.exe version 2.918 and upgraded all Cygwin >> packages. > [...] >> I ran the cpan(1) shell and upgraded Perl modules: > [...] >> >> 'make test' now produces: >> >> 211 wallclock secs ( 2.39 usr 2.71 sys + 525.68 cusr 998.78 csys = 1529.57 >> CPU) > > You have merely demonstrated that there is a change in timing after > upgrading *all* of cygwin environment and packages. > > Basic troubleshooting by any competent admin involves making changes > stepwise in steps as small as (reasonably) possible, and reperforming > tests each step. > > Next step: go back to your older system and upgrade only the Perl > packages, then repeat the test. > > If you are capable, try testing your cygwin environment on a different > machine, preferably not a corporate machine with hidden BLODA, and with > Microsoft Defender disabled (for the tests) (as previously asked by > others). > > If you are capable, try testing older and newer Perl installations on a > different OS. > > Annecdotally, I noticed about month or two ago that running my Perl > Test::Harness slowed down dramatically after an upgrade of both kernel > and packages on a Linux (*not Cygwin*) system. I have not yet seen > compelling evidence from you that the slowdown is due to Cygwin, and > have seen data suggesting it is more directly related to Perl changes. > > Other than your 'make test', do you have any evidence that anything else > has slowed down as dramatically between the old and new cywgin packages? > Any other shell scripts for which you tested the timing? > Any other Perl scripts for which you tested the timing? > (and not run under 'make test') I do not have the interest nor the means to bisect Cygwin, Perl, and/or CPAN looking for performance issues. For my use-case (SOHO devops), Cygwin Perl performance is a "nice to have"; not a "must have". "Correctness" is the "must have". I will continue to consider this question: On 5/24/22 08:03, David Christensen wrote: > What is a suitable Perl benchmark? David -- Problem reports: https://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: https://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: https://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: https://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple