X-Recipient: archive-cygwin AT delorie DOT com DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 sourceware.org 26B16385802E DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cygwin.com; s=default; t=1635324620; bh=+0jX0d9ea3CqJbJlj+bben+dwmAAJ32qDRB1bc0naA0=; h=Date:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:List-Id:List-Unsubscribe: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Help:List-Subscribe:From:Reply-To:Cc: From; b=n0yKDTPlTzpEBtT3sEaggwjD3s5ELc53GVfokO25+4qrBdBFZJBn7Yl+mXq9F9HDW ky+pJT6qb4QhMRJwYSHcrPNO/wgLpVPOqzfaFXZ/eEFvKHel/LqqjGANNpPj2jnU23 /pyaTAwyfh0lGlH9bhYokxShxB1FFxVf3DEUQ0p0= X-Original-To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Delivered-To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.4.1 sourceware.org BAC3C3858C27 Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2021 10:49:07 +0200 To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Subject: Re: [HEADSUP] Phasing out old Windows versions and 32 bit support Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com References: <20211027092416 DOT 5541c44d36ba0d4a306fdf7d AT nifty DOT ne DOT jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20211027092416.5541c44d36ba0d4a306fdf7d@nifty.ne.jp> X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:d3sd0kifXDCgxTMq0ntuLyqygxVnU2F1Ic4z0NPvFAKm0V8MlcD o0dUPN9q87xLliMrAepZfC616DcJ/GXkNyKwduHcbjkejGuiLFReKJ/hwy8AEy6NTTJlbft q7oxWhrqRFAu21XZZK5zD9X1JedS+ORfaBEcV1bvv01LVKyqZmh/liqw/w7bX49mQlHgnWt 0f3N7dCFz5pwl7bv3YP7A== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:/G3vk9MHVOI=:0zv25jyT/J07ePdaVaw8bQ cmKbDK8O2zI0fTkJ9ZhJMsf4fNDBZx7D5ApQbkG9vqV4WI4TLEwC9J6OFfmYRZgLW0sFfb144 bT9C9HgLjw/P0ShsHF0x5dzOF6cDZ1Ke+cfCpyjwcTeWxVadftfcyFdBGHjhj6LOM3VZi5bon ffGqvYJSxygrxTs/Ltg/afnuRbnaJxLRZW2Hs+v8JislEpu6McigXfU/54772JWZquhPw5Rap uvi2dUEGLDHJwlaKw/cXzbxztzbSU2iXNDS77ISuCqAOKyF4u79lR6f4ZWYmvYlIMX5t7tF0S KpCMPmpxB2oxU4Sf3IqUNAAjTr++Q6KYIbTFFDnkIbgInbhreBEgkKX4KdKteIrE5OEXw4tSW QZB04Ch9JJ7g1mYFCaEc/ohsfTPh9QXdp9kNa/cS1oB9tfI284RUSkyj2pTAbXi3iattK0mo4 E4Vyw/USsQupfeyyuzUzLdMveb4BChq7cgnt1hMsaI41vGVagqDmc/ebBhpoU6M6Hs20wEDoJ WMTqsBhdnyBgmEmeeHJoh6ibF/k+iTqQ+vx1xcEJJ3JHT1y8x+XqgvrsWnkJyDWgbU/0Pc0oL 61UGtERawsap7y4ldpaiWPailafsSGSspeztnec5WBTgZpwvxAQWPVJQI3V1/c2e3KX08nTCG K5A4/cMT6+GAHb3Hkf85PWtUCMITfcxOo9xql11D9GfWhTNPVBgrJI5UkllB27RSGLStQ2Rn8 wgZLTcvKMQRBJJxO X-Spam-Status: No, score=-99.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, GOOD_FROM_CORINNA_CYGWIN, KAM_DMARC_NONE, KAM_DMARC_STATUS, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2, SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_NEUTRAL, TXREP autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on server2.sourceware.org X-BeenThere: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: General Cygwin discussions and problem reports List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , From: Corinna Vinschen via Cygwin Reply-To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Cc: Corinna Vinschen Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: cygwin-bounces+archive-cygwin=delorie DOT com AT cygwin DOT com Sender: "Cygwin" On Oct 27 09:24, Takashi Yano via Cygwin wrote: > On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 22:55:01 +0200 > Corinna Vinschen wrote: > > We're also planning to drop Support for the 32 bit release of Cygwin in > > 2022, thus Cygwin 3.4.0 won't come in 32 bit anymore, and the package > > maintainers won't have to update 32 bit packages anymore. If you're > > still running Cygwin under WOW64, consider to move to 64 bit in the next > > couple of months. > > I agree with you that 32 bit cygwin under WOW64 is not worth to > support any more. However, 32 bit version of Windows 10 will be > still supported at least until Oct. 2025. Personally, I think it > would not be nice to exclude the supported windows version from > cygwin support. Well, it's not much effort to support WOW64 if we support 32 bit anyway. The problem is that Cygwin is somehow outgrowing 32 bit systems in terms of the available memory. Also, 32 bit Cygwin is still using a 32 bit time_t, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_2038_problem Per the download statistics, as far as those statistics are trustable, 32 bit systems are less than 5% of the installed base, with the majority of them being WOW64 installations. Those can move over to 64 bit Cygwin easily. Less than 1% are real 32 bit systems. Dropping 32 bit support will reduce code complexity in Cygwin and it will reduce the workload of the package maintainers. Those few still running Cygwin on a real 32 bit system will still have a chance to run Cygwin by utilizing Peter's time machine. Corinna -- Problem reports: https://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: https://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: https://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: https://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple