X-Recipient: archive-cygwin AT delorie DOT com DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 sourceware.org 09113386F02B DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cygwin.com; s=default; t=1587413366; bh=wL3bOHmGRj4aq657cegBzr90b4gVgNS4LKfIPRv7SZs=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:List-Id: List-Unsubscribe:List-Archive:List-Post:List-Help:List-Subscribe: From; b=KmpXiVFLKQCju1Y9i0zpi50C9py5WeChw7HkXwFyXHjRVACkeKONS57EkfvzGFuMT CWdKOq3uzXbQTm7HYTMXJZiNwbkadlAxOdYRtDZuKG2MVCMHWwksiu+1MtNSI0RUWg 4eV+Rdjt+V3+ckhVQ9yRjml9UgQ+pU1P7+B8SUMQ= X-Original-To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Delivered-To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 sourceware.org A7F64386F021 Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=cygwin.com Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; spf=fail smtp.mailfrom=cgf-use-the-mailinglist-please AT cygwin DOT com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on server2.sourceware.org DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 cgf.cx 3788E40145 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-CGF-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00, TXREP autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 spammy=joining, H*r:unknown, H*M:cgf, convenient Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 16:09:21 -0400 From: Christopher Faylor To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Subject: Re: Two naive questions Message-ID: <20200420200921.GA10790@cgf.cx> Mail-Followup-To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com, Bill Stewart References: <20200417174902 DOT GA32412 AT iguana DOT crashland DOT org> <169450016 DOT 20200417211620 AT yandex DOT ru> <20200420172017 DOT GA17660 AT iguana DOT crashland DOT org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, FORGED_SPF_HELO, JMQ_SPF_NEUTRAL, KAM_DMARC_STATUS, KHOP_HELO_FCRDNS, SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_NEUTRAL, TXREP autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-BeenThere: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: General Cygwin discussions and problem reports List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: cygwin-bounces AT cygwin DOT com Sender: "Cygwin" On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 11:41:32AM -0600, Bill Stewart wrote: >On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 11:20 AM Stephen Carrier wrote: >>I think the OP's first question was asking how to effectively join an >>existing thread when one is browsing the recent archives and not >>subscribed to the list. >> >>Joining the list after seeing a question one would like to answer >>doesn't help, because the message you would like to respond to has >>already gone by. >> >>I think a good solution would be to get the message number from the web >>archive and request that a particular message be sent to you. Then you >>could respond to that message and join the thread properly. >> >>However, there doesn't seem to be a way to do that. I used to be >>notified how to retrieve messages I had missed (due to bouncing) but >>the method did not work. Furthermore, the mailman faq doesn't mention >>any way to do this. > >I would say that this is a side-effect of using a mailing list when >what's really being asked for is a discussion forum. > >A mailing list is convenient for self-subscription and replies, but >replying to a past message (one that's "already gone by" as stated >above) is not really possible (that I know of?). Starting a new >message to the list with an identical subject to an existing thread >doesn't reply to the existing thread but rather starts a new thread >with an identical subject (since the thread ID is different). With mailman, if you click on a message in the archives and then click on the email address at the top, your mail client of choice will be opened with correct "In-Reply-To" set. If you want to reply to the list then replace the "To" with the email address of the mailing list. You can also download the mailbox-formatted archive, read it with a client like "mutt" and reply that way. OTOH, most message boards have a way to freeze old discussions and discourage resurrecting dead threads. The archives obviously don't allow that so you might want to consider if your resurrection of an old discussion would really be appreciated. If the discussion is old it's probably best to start a new thread and maybe include a link to the archive. But, really, if you want to be part of an active discussion then join the mailing list. -- Problem reports: https://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: https://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: https://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: https://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple