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From: Kristian Ivarsson via Cygwin <cygwin AT cygwin DOT com>
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> On 4/1/2020 2:34 PM, Ken Brown via Cygwin wrote:
> > On 4/1/2020 1:14 PM, sten DOT kristian DOT ivarsson AT gmail DOT com wrote:
> >>> On 4/1/2020 4:52 AM, sten DOT kristian DOT ivarsson AT gmail DOT com wrote:
> >>>>> On 3/31/2020 5:10 PM, sten DOT kristian DOT ivarsson AT gmail DOT com wrote:
> >>>>>>> On 3/28/2020 10:19 PM, Ken Brown via Cygwin wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On 3/28/2020 11:43 AM, Ken Brown via Cygwin wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On 3/28/2020 8:10 AM, sten DOT kristian DOT ivarsson AT gmail DOT com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> On 3/27/2020 10:53 AM, sten DOT kristian DOT ivarsson AT gmail DOT com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/26/2020 7:19 PM, Ken Brown via Cygwin wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/26/2020 6:39 PM, Ken Brown via Cygwin wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/26/2020 6:01 PM, sten DOT kristian DOT ivarsson AT gmail DOT com
wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The ENIXIO occurs when parallel child-processes
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> simultaneously using O_NONBLOCK opening the descriptor.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is consistent with my guess that the error is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> generated by fhandler_fifo::wait.  I have a feeling that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> read_ready should have been created as a manual-reset
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> event, and that more care is needed to make sure it's
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> set
> >> when it should be.
> >>
> >> [snip]
> >>
> >>>>>>>> Never mind.  I was able to reproduce the problem and find the
cause.
> >>>>>>>> What happens is that when the first subprocess exits,
> >>>>>>>> fhandler_fifo::close resets read_ready.  That causes the second
> >>>>>>>> and subsequent subprocesses to think that there's no reader
> >>>>>>>> open, so their attempts to open a writer with O_NONBLOCK fail
with ENXIO.
> >>
> >> [snip]
> >>
> >>>> I wrote in a previous mail in this topic that it seemed to work
> >>>> fine for me as well, but when I bumped up the numbers of writers
> >>>> and/or the number of messages (e.g. 25/25) it starts to fail again
> >>
> >> [snip]
> >>
> >>> Yes, it is a resource issue.  There is a limit on the number of
> >>> writers
> >> that can be open at one
> >>> time, currently 64.  I chose that number arbitrarily, with no idea
> >>> what
> >> might actually be
> >>> needed in practice, and it can easily be changed.
> >>
> >> Does it have to be a limit at all ? We would rather see that the
> >> application decide how much resources it would like to use. In our
> >> particular case there will be a process-manager with an incoming pipe
> >> that possible several thousands of processes will write to
> >
> > I agree.
> >
> >> Just for fiddling around (to figure out if this is the limit that
> >> make other things work a bit odd), where's this 64 limit defined now ?
> >
> > It's MAX_CLIENTS, defined in fhandler.h.  But there seem to be other
> > resource issues also; simply increasing MAX_CLIENTS doesn't solve the
> > problem.  I think there are also problems with the number of threads,
> > for example.  Each time your program forks, the subprocess inherits
> > the rfd file descriptor and its "fifo_reader_thread" starts up.  This
> > is unnecessary for your application, so I tried disabling it (in
> fhandler_fifo::fixup_after_fork), just as an experiment.
> >
> > But then I ran into some deadlocks, suggesting that one of the locks
> > I'm using isn't robust enough.  So I've got a lot of things to work on.
> >
> >>> In addition, a writer isn't recognized as closed until a reader
> >>> tries to
> >> read and gets an error.
> >>> In your example with 25/25, the list of writers quickly gets to 64
> >>> before
> >> the parent ever tries
> >>> to read.
> >>
> >> That explains the behaviour, but should there be some error returned
> >> from open/write (maybe it is but I'm missing it) ?
> >
> > The error is discovered in add_client_handler, called from
> > thread_func.  I think you'll only see it if you run the program under
> > strace.  I'll see if I can find a way to report it.  Currently,
> > there's a retry loop in fhandler_fifo::open when a writer tries to
> > open, and I think I need to limit the number of retries and then error
out.
> 
> I pushed a few improvements and bug fixes, and your 25/25 example now runs
without a
> problem.  I increased MAX_CLIENTS to 1024 just for the sake of this
example, but I'll
> work on letting the number of writers increase dynamically as needed.

I pulled it and tried it out and yes, the sample test program with 25/25
worked well and a whole bunch of our unit-tests passed with ok result now

We still do have some issues, but I cannot yet tell if they are related to
named pipes or not

It is great that you're looking into a totally dynamic solution

Kristian

> Ken

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