X-Recipient: archive-cygwin AT delorie DOT com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=sourceware.org; h=list-id :list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-archive:list-post :list-help:sender:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to :references:message-id; q=dns; s=default; b=bp58joxcrdeJVJHydPt4 kkPzTI1lN1aXLYqP9OQ2GXMR83/OLd2ODYryPgBqWobnfVSQwCfiyAuIpy2ZoDUQ J6UW50ATDGQnBNIuHTETMjaNhvhz1NB/x5SPMIigOeF2ah3d9NWi65TS1v/igtb0 GTnTtMSgo508rfo3fx6XFus= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=sourceware.org; h=list-id :list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-archive:list-post :list-help:sender:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to :references:message-id; s=default; bh=MhUvjBJ4xWD2yzTk0H/Bq8UzFD I=; b=osLOwa58VxAdcwH19zlV5eQrFgBmwucy7x+KOCtX4mzQBC0mbAxw0WFRMO 2hXq3fX39zIzLat4A7KtdZzErt1H4f3V/BK2mI1pS+07rshjerohadEdXZYSAnVv +46PIiB3qhlO2wcqLQDU/drAM5xItGZ52i49e7dLWox8u2KP4= Mailing-List: contact cygwin-help AT cygwin DOT com; run by ezmlm List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: cygwin-owner AT cygwin DOT com Mail-Followup-To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Delivered-To: mailing list cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; auth=none X-Spam-SWARE-Status: No, score=0.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 spammy=HX-Spam-Relays-External:esmtpa, H*RU:esmtpa, H*r:esmtpa, HX-Get-Message-Sender-Via:sk:authent X-HELO: www16.qth.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 14:22:49 -0400 From: Chris Wagner To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Subject: Dependancy Hell (was Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Updated: mintty 2.9.9) In-Reply-To: <5c9cb1c3.1c69fb81.d132f.62a6@mx.google.com> References: <5c9cb1c3 DOT 1c69fb81 DOT d132f DOT 62a6 AT mx DOT google DOT com> Message-ID: <1565df06c4b8f64bac8d5ab8c169904c@plebeian.com> X-Sender: wagnerc AT plebeian DOT com User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.3.7 X-IsSubscribed: yes On 2019-03-28 7:36 am, Steven Penny wrote: > On Thu, 28 Mar 2019 08:34:34, Thomas Wolff wrote: >> Mintty can be used to run any command-line application directly (like >> top, your editor, ...), a shell is not needed. > > That may be true, the by default Mintty is configure to load Bash. So > it is > disingenuous so simply say that it does not require a shell, unless you > want to > change the default to load "top" as you said. > I think that part of the issue is that there is no clear definition of a dependancy. I encounter questionable dependancies all the time from Cygwin Setup. If I try to install the wrong thing, there is a whole ecosystem of packages that come with it that I don't want. I just don't install that thing I wanted and live without it or get it another way. Likewise there are dependancies that are merely advisory and the package works just fine without it. I think that a package should only be listed as a dependancy if the upstream package will not even run without it. Things like library packages. Even if it provides core functionality, if the main package will run, it's not a dependancy. Dependancy hell is one of the few things I don't like about Cygwin. Thanks. -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple