X-Recipient: archive-cygwin AT delorie DOT com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=sourceware.org; h=list-id :list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-archive:list-post :list-help:sender:message-id:date:from:subject:to:references :content-type; q=dns; s=default; b=VJZW9C3BPqPI4JapOl+NVh3ajRYKy y8+bxS50PJX8dlFbuT2ONBizHAbYLJ0jJ6M08XdU/fdC5NIunx7f6H5fdrRPsk6I kXCbtdPLhUQdOcwMfOGItVGGlNwEwpT20ihZiLKdrVQw9tlQf2Vy22njTweJYyaj hQ2AzYZ8d4BHm0= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=sourceware.org; h=list-id :list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-archive:list-post :list-help:sender:message-id:date:from:subject:to:references :content-type; s=default; bh=OoiPumi+cGZ7OfPPxrCN+d+9in4=; b=Cvh C0iRBnPfL7Ul+4Moo6JZUDcSZzCBCrg25DhwBIqNKpGSR0ifMZMQPEhCXon6nG7d Xz+3bGnazZiH0ZhlbiCvi2Lj6A/gMemCY7SzLrcsw+OBPJWYuVTwZQPf47X7xXg2 aE6fNteacMI35Xs3r35u6axy7+n6JQf/thxcnfNY= Mailing-List: contact cygwin-help AT cygwin DOT com; run by ezmlm List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: cygwin-owner AT cygwin DOT com Mail-Followup-To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Delivered-To: mailing list cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; auth=none X-Spam-SWARE-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SPF_PASS autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 spammy=recommendations, H*M:1c69fb81, WHITE, H*M:google X-HELO: mail-oi0-f67.google.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=message-id:date:from:subject:to:references:user-agent; bh=mdkZsGgqrZHz5GO6+C4ZvoNzPCM6gvuhSnzmLYH1NQ0=; b=TLPJsuJQQMfImRn3l2kJd85kvTop7FfelKXIrMyg/xAyCB8a7hCQK45drn7pEsr7TM XroKxE5FX+dWedd/iUIoQ+vFtb+iHy+r/aJtm2968MVjokxLtlIGSAb/s/PAd5hoq80f HzaTEKwDj3yHSL/hNx5aAMIyY76pBfyAVUuzRoYjWul867NRe+5F9M5g2yxFIH2avZFE kfVJeb4ic0IF5JoKqmgXTI8n20u1o/vtXjrpNSBALZFAsUOi1cqpUyLKcsjNuMYDWZPb kWXmJHXsbJXIYlKUurSqi65LuekKd+hMWi3h4ExAB05ubAJwnybgZaeMIX7GbMepS/77 8OUg== Message-ID: <5b8f1539.1c69fb81.3d7fb.2575@mx.google.com> Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2018 16:28:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Steven Penny Subject: Re: Cygwin fails to utilize Unicode replacement character To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com References: <5c366e53-ad20-7ccc-5d76-c4fd5adefdf9 AT towo DOT net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf8; format=flowed User-Agent: Tryst/2.8.0 (cup.github.io/tryst) On Tue, 4 Sep 2018 23:43:16, Thomas Wolff wrote: > Traditionally, many terminals used to display the DEL character as a > checkered block, which is more or less the MEDIUM SHADE. > This makes the glyph appear somewhat "erroneous" by convention. I see - now that Unicode has some dedicated characters for this, it would make sense to use them, especially since linux is already using them: 1. U+FFFD: http://unicode.org/charts/nameslist/n_FFF0.html 2. U+25A1: http://unicode.org/charts/nameslist/n_25A0.html > valid code point with no glyph in font -> .notdef glyph -> WHITE SQUARE this is not true. "WHITE SQUARE" refers to U+25A1, which is an actual character and different from the ".notdef" glyph. as has been discussed as length in this thread, the ".notdef glyph" is not an actual character, but a glyph that exists at position 0 in the font, and while its appearance is not strictly defined, some recommendations exist: - empty rectangle - rectangle with a question mark - rectangle with an X > Now if you switch to FFFD REPLACEMENT CHARACTER for invalid code point, > and considering that it does not exist in most actual fonts and that the > console does not apply font fallback, it will resolve to WHITE SQUARE, thus: > folding the two different use cases into the same appearance, > which is bad. no again, it will resolve to ".notdef glyph", as I put above. otherwise yes, you do have a point. in the case of a font without U+FFFD, you have ultimately: invalid code point: .notdef glyph missing character: .notdef glyph several ideas have been proposed: 1. keep U+FFFD 2. go back to U+2592 3. use U+25A1 instead 4. use U+FFFD if possible else fallback to U+2592 or U+25A1 if we choose option 1, people not happy with the ambiguity can simply install "dejavu-fonts" or similar, which Cygwin provides. -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple