X-Recipient: archive-cygwin AT delorie DOT com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=sourceware.org; h=list-id :list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-archive:list-post :list-help:sender:message-id:date:from:subject:to:references :content-type; q=dns; s=default; b=e+sCzej7knAEAmYn7PyPlSOCT2UsI BNXPcf6gLh7qD88vBfpuHzhgRn136nh2nMZ2nlq47hYfdQ8WoiF5P53yZrSSSRYV wxEHamqE53E+CZQjFx455XjEu2/zSWO6wp/11brJv5RsMe90aNXfb8z2d2WqXfSU Bnr0Iz3hCAnT90= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=sourceware.org; h=list-id :list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-archive:list-post :list-help:sender:message-id:date:from:subject:to:references :content-type; s=default; bh=SIRgoaWWfWMrSvqYFLyLof5f9bo=; b=CRg +kq+PxnegZLK0KhxC78PqUjxxOQMfAuZ7gOn3CkBcR5YzNaa0LzoOVw3SeTIpOdm /oe5qYthbqSIispbddR6WlTNqH4QRg0ymOm3ev+zuu2TAA5axt83t+Ge/o+KAuDp fXY2FCSzBpRz7z5XaclyOdEeqLxW3kwX5BNT0ZSw= Mailing-List: contact cygwin-help AT cygwin DOT com; run by ezmlm List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: cygwin-owner AT cygwin DOT com Mail-Followup-To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Delivered-To: mailing list cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; auth=none X-Spam-SWARE-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SPF_PASS autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 spammy=dangerous, enquire, availability, vote X-HELO: mail-oi0-f47.google.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=message-id:date:from:subject:to:references:user-agent; bh=DHthP8wgLVvqvQGB+37Ic4NB4KsoHjYnr/xzQduEKiU=; b=M0qt7J0agQGCLr9RfQiuJ7z6uhYv808TNeR/A10pSTm3Jo8ZSoNrlsp5xMaclaws2j VXrEw9Z4bmCZjx5AfF5cvYP78BiedMS6QmOMbIfQN+N0GShSXbbueppYHPBb2vVaEzBu XwTEzUu/YAkBW4sT7T5ZebFvs5TcDwYVW+MopaCHpOsYaMLG1QCc8g94szWK5CKDTsyZ D0ANeZbkO2hon6MSpfrF84pOEgnhIAWGOtO/YJtEtDysrQ4AK3BqHeypRVxlNNvR685M jHvKEJUrXWvMMRVsk8LdbVaxK8eQZ05bYWOY+j6tK/ma3K35RPyIbf74d7CQn9IrbphE GmEA== Message-ID: <5b8eccee.1c69fb81.12eaa.84a2@mx.google.com> Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2018 11:20:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Steven Penny Subject: Re: Cygwin fails to utilize Unicode replacement character To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf8; format=flowed User-Agent: Tryst/2.8.0 (cup.github.io/tryst) On Tue, 4 Sep 2018 16:18:21, Thomas Wolff wrote: > My vote is against the patch because the nodef glyph will often be just > blank space which is certainly worse than ▒. > If conhost does not provide a reasonable way to enquire 0xFFFD > availability it's conhost's fault, not cygwin's so why should cygwin > implement a bad compromise. If conhost ever improves, cygwin can adapt. This is some dangerous commentary. I would like to counter it now with some actual research. Using BabelMap: http://babelstone.co.uk/Software/BabelMap.html You can do "Fonts", "Font Coverage" and you will get this result with code point FFFD: yes: DejaVu Sans Mono no: - Consolas - Courier New - Lucida Console - MS Gothic - NSimSun - SimSun-ExtB This is concerning true, but we can then review the ".notdef glyph" for the problem fonts. As this glyph is not an actual character, i cant paste it here, but i will describe them below: empty rectangle: - Courier New - Lucida Console - MS Gothic - SimSun-ExtB rectangle with a question mark inside: Consolas none: NSimSun Note that I did not include "Raster Fonts", as it doesnt even allow multibyte characters: $ printf '\xC2\xA1\n' sh: printf: write error: Permission denied -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple