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From: Matt Nicholas <mattdn AT gmail DOT com>
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2018 11:36:59 -0700
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Subject: Re: xterm / Windows 10 question
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Hi Andrey,

I'm starting to feel a bit guilty about wasting bandwidth on the Cygwin
mailing list because
my initial question was answered by other posters and the problem has, as a
practical matter,
been solved.

That's not to say I understand all aspects of the interaction between
Windows 10 keyboard layouts,
the X Server, and xterm windows.

To answer your questions:

     > Why? Do you need the INTL one? If not, just remove it.

Yes, I agree.  I did remove ENG INTL following Microsoft's documented
procedure.
(Settings > Time & Language > Region & Language, select ENG INTL, click
Remove.)
This appeared to work -- ENG INTL no longer shows up in the Region &
Language dialog.
However, it remains one of the choices I can toggle through using <Windows
Key>+space.
So... presumably I don''t yet know how to actually remove it.

     > That makes little sense to me.
     > What if I have more than one input language? What if I actually NEED
both
     > layouts?

Yes, of course, if you need more than one input language you should keep
them installed.
What I was trying to say in my previous post was simply that the X Server
uses the layout that's in effect
when you start the X Server.  So if, for example, you want xterm windows to
start up with "ENG US"
rather than "ENG INTL", then you should select "ENG US" before starting the
X Server.
If you fail to do that, it seems you can switch after the fact using
"setxkbmap".

Best Regards,
--- Matt


On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 7:51 PM, Andrey Repin <anrdaemon AT yandex DOT ru> wrote:

> Greetings, Matt Nicholas!
>
> > Hi Jon,
>
> > Thanks for the additional comments.
>
> > The two keyboard layouts that are installed are "ENG US" and "ENG INTL".
> > (These are the two I see when I toggle through them using <Windows
> > Key>+space.)
>
> Why? Do you need the INTL one? If not, just remove it.
>
> > I just rebooted the laptop and did not observe the problem with xterm
> > windows that prompted my initial post.  I suppose this all makes sense
> > based on the fact that xterm windows use the layout that was in effect
> when
> > the X Server was started.  I.e., you can't subsequently change the
> behavior
> > of xterm by selecting a different layout using <Windows Key>+space.  (At
> > that point can use "setxkbmap us".)
>
> > My understanding at this point is that the only thing necessary is to
> make
> > sure the desired layout (in my case "ENG US") is selected before starting
> > the X Server.
>
> That makes little sense to me.
> What if I have more than one input language? What if I actually NEED both
> layouts?
>
>
> --
> With best regards,
> Andrey Repin
> Wednesday, June 13, 2018 5:50:14
>
> Sorry for my terrible english...
>
>

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