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To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com References: <2d3c5da1-5944-ef91-aa48-faed2210b772 AT cornell DOT edu> <1bc4a9a6-c543-e78b-62fe-2e7ac696a1df AT cornell DOT edu> <58894cff-9ff6-9297-9efb-d37db9e49804 AT wanadoo DOT fr> <2b33c8ad-9cf3-cff5-fc44-8a5c82709006 AT laposte DOT net> <87wp3yhma5 DOT fsf AT Rainer DOT invalid> <1833fa94-bd81-d2f0-ea4c-b5d2ac43cd3b AT gmail DOT com> <2578ae0a-a6ed-9a12-502b-5d584cf194a1 AT gmail DOT com> <82d84cc5-a51c-08cb-73e1-14c8d149528d AT cornell DOT edu> Reply-To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com From: cyg Simple Message-ID: Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2017 09:32:10 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <82d84cc5-a51c-08cb-73e1-14c8d149528d@cornell.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-IsSubscribed: yes On 10/15/2017 12:10 PM, Ken Brown wrote: > On 10/15/2017 12:24 AM, cyg Simple wrote: >> On 10/14/2017 12:11 PM, Marco Atzeri wrote: >>> On 14/10/2017 17:31, cyg Simple wrote: >>> >>>>> >>>>> This is very common.  Suppose you have package A installed, which >>>>> requires B.  Package B gets obsoleted by C.  But A still requires B >>>>> until someone (usually the maintainer of A) changes this to make A >>>>> require C instead. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Maybe a column showing what installed packages are depending on B and a >>>> column showing the dependencies for package A would be nice?  It would >>>> help clear the confusion anyway. >>> >>> >>> the cygcheck-dep package can provide dependencies information, >>> I do not see the need for setup to do it >>> >> >> So the information is available just in a different place than where it >> should be, the tool I'm using to do the download.  Having a separate >> package to tell me the package dependencies isn't very friendly; I might >> not have anything installed, certainly not cygcheck-dep and then I have >> to learn and remember to use it as a side step of installation. > > I think most users would be distracted by seeing the dependencies > displayed and would have no need for this information.  On the rare > occasions when they are surprised that something got installed, they can > use cygcheck-dep (or ask on the list) to find the reason. > So it becomes one of the optional visible fields. I don't think the information would be rarely used though, it might help me not have to search for a package that is going to be installed anyway because I chose a primary package. The information has to be useful or cygcheck-dep wouldn't exist. -- cyg Simple -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple