X-Recipient: archive-cygwin AT delorie DOT com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=sourceware.org; h=list-id :list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-archive:list-post :list-help:sender:subject:to:references:reply-to:from:message-id :date:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; q=dns; s=default; b=RcPKiXak5uS0rnA5 ThWKOYU3VAi46jL5zLsBim2S3C/HnV11A7IlR9ZpdzODsuHeKwEXtE589t19KT8j ya6Yc11IKkfmt8cKzrA7LWPzn/3HG46R9UHpluuHiGofUlisxNjWZcyjdciYBCpf LVMdSQC5deaPqR13wg99HoolFtY= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=sourceware.org; h=list-id :list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-archive:list-post :list-help:sender:subject:to:references:reply-to:from:message-id :date:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; s=default; bh=VXCtti9PjDju602HW60K6r p+TGQ=; b=IgHS8CuiE+3Uc8X/nXAF9M44dmmrhim6kQD9HK56/XyUjkht1wEw0K Gp9fouSywUssnQvth7IfoYtIy7Sog8mdrzCywbGb52rm66FTWFUmOIzccyLnjc7q ZZ6FS4nLw+PVnI2vCNfivONc+8mzMda7qtkwsx6T8US41e2jnygYw= Mailing-List: contact cygwin-help AT cygwin DOT com; run by ezmlm List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: cygwin-owner AT cygwin DOT com Mail-Followup-To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Delivered-To: mailing list cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; auth=none X-Virus-Found: No X-Spam-SWARE-Status: No, score=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM,SPF_PASS autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 spammy=Hx-languages-length:1554, B, C, b X-HELO: mail-it0-f53.google.com X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:reply-to:from:message-id :date:user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Ww/Cc5iGMsIsEq39n2h7kyk8tJc3DBsGeNFipHNIdKo=; b=h1wPdJmzgXN4HEdJ9zo8MSIDcspFkWWODDIgXPM5QbpyyyKtu3eNuv87AAUhs/RIQO 9pJ0+SPrKM9xojGRyjLG069iWoWEkeJeMq+lgi3gBmuYV9NQKf9VTNoj9qJw9bBxgYhL LPEPfy41Eu16GhwnYclThiXVu55G7lgOP9nzGkZ63jqc5JnwufMh1f6ZXxVGZ7/nc0J+ wrUW4b/8T1TXjISQ0rkOznsKlogiK1BMiuDYWvCM4accacX5RmhOaTd1ykcjOI+OOjcI 656NKnV4FmtrHq9hqPOB1NbdnY8tZo4uYwRL8NpWnr74/w89SwkoG8mItq8kdc64KVer PPow== X-Gm-Message-State: AMCzsaV0yeNzUSPcAOY0YT68KVDRZrFJBYZyurFjUu/9TLnrxTzjEKr6 gznmlCTYQdYrYR2x35jCE3oswQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABhQp+TI4rcl5CGtp6EWRArQspkog4U3eHCmLkKJ2rMDQf5Ko9KO4FOw7MoXDPGE7a5ek1iYV5OzOQ== X-Received: by 10.36.122.1 with SMTP id a1mr7269889itc.30.1507995074077; Sat, 14 Oct 2017 08:31:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: setup graphical chooser : how to list orphaned packages ? To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com References: <2d3c5da1-5944-ef91-aa48-faed2210b772 AT cornell DOT edu> <1bc4a9a6-c543-e78b-62fe-2e7ac696a1df AT cornell DOT edu> <58894cff-9ff6-9297-9efb-d37db9e49804 AT wanadoo DOT fr> <2b33c8ad-9cf3-cff5-fc44-8a5c82709006 AT laposte DOT net> <87wp3yhma5 DOT fsf AT Rainer DOT invalid> Reply-To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com From: cyg Simple Message-ID: Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2017 11:31:17 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-IsSubscribed: yes On 10/13/2017 4:16 PM, Ken Brown wrote: > On 10/13/2017 3:49 PM, Brian Inglis wrote: >> On 2017-10-13 13:37, Achim Gratz wrote: >>> Jérôme Bouat writes: >>>> Are "orphans" and "obsolete" 2 different things ? >>> >>> Yes.  An orphaned package is one that is installed on your system, but >>> not available in any version from setup.  An obsolete package is one >>> that still exists (usually as an empty package) both in setup and on >>> your system in order to provide a dependency (usually for older packages >>> that still refer to the obsolete package name until they can get >>> rebuilt). >> >> Obsolete packages are also provided in setup like "virtual" packages for >> backward compatibility with old package names requiring the new package. >> >> I recently removed some of these old obsolete packages as I was using the >> upgraded packages. >> >> The next time I ran setup for an upgrade to the underlying package, >> the obsolete >> package and obsolete library package were "reinstalled", along with >> the upgraded >> real package and library package!? > > This is very common.  Suppose you have package A installed, which > requires B.  Package B gets obsoleted by C.  But A still requires B > until someone (usually the maintainer of A) changes this to make A > require C instead. > Maybe a column showing what installed packages are depending on B and a column showing the dependencies for package A would be nice? It would help clear the confusion anyway. -- cyg Simple -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple