X-Recipient: archive-cygwin AT delorie DOT com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=sourceware.org; h=list-id :list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-archive:list-post :list-help:sender:date:from:to:subject:message-id:reply-to :references:mime-version:content-type:in-reply-to; q=dns; s= default; b=mCAZpQ5ryDG/X4BIEJeOicP9ZTQjg0SLRPBVrCmnGHkvHFf+zx3H+ 0HWm10zSslaPqbgi157dDCvI/QaeBx/8AdNXC4cEowq0Uni5/5R8VYCWgcZ3eqcC c4zlRDZYuW43dBAjDjGiV1mC5Vx5RNMfLylM50lqFRu9QfE0FI6UAk= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=sourceware.org; h=list-id :list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-archive:list-post :list-help:sender:date:from:to:subject:message-id:reply-to :references:mime-version:content-type:in-reply-to; s=default; bh=qq58G632JV2GDRcYcHtqnfRbeE0=; b=XsRIiPvpNW9aU39BTNdmd0zh+z5b fCfJCRsH3EiE2TCPC5MV7AOADye0ZchD3qOvLtHDnikfB4F9+GuL67enSXQYBPE3 X2X5nGATfcyYK7ckQrslXBjfCXmP8Ko8wQ5+WpjCdpojVsCJTcvMYMXyZqB/uZI0 WSBrohLmo2Il3JQ= Mailing-List: contact cygwin-help AT cygwin DOT com; run by ezmlm List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: cygwin-owner AT cygwin DOT com Mail-Followup-To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Delivered-To: mailing list cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; auth=none X-Virus-Found: No X-Spam-SWARE-Status: No, score=-101.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,GOOD_FROM_CORINNA_CYGWIN,KAM_LAZY_DOMAIN_SECURITY,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_HELO_PASS autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 spammy=Ronald, Hx-languages-length:1491, rights X-HELO: drew.franken.de Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2017 10:29:50 +0200 From: Corinna Vinschen To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Subject: Re: ls -t changes the cygwin-access time of a file Message-ID: <20170411082950.GD26743@calimero.vinschen.de> Reply-To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Mail-Followup-To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com References: <1491887747 DOT 2418233 DOT 940851896 DOT 58DFF258 AT webmail DOT messagingengine DOT com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="7iMSBzlTiPOCCT2k" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1491887747.2418233.940851896.58DFF258@webmail.messagingengine.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.8.0 (2017-02-23) --7iMSBzlTiPOCCT2k Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Apr 11 07:15, Ronald Fischer wrote: > I'm running on Windows 7 64bit, the disk has NTFS, and I have Windows > enabled to track the correct file access time. >=20 > With Cygwin, I see the following oddity: >=20 > -0-1- ~/gitwrk/vp5 > ls -lu c:/tmp/x* > -rw-r--r-- 1 FISRONA Domain Users 10 Apr 11 06:59 c:/tmp/xx > (waiting a couple of minutes) > -0-1- ~/gitwrk/vp5 > ls -lut c:/tmp/x* > -rw-r--r-- 1 FISRONA Domain Users 10 Apr 11 07:01 c:/tmp/xx >=20 > I didn't touch the file in between, but the reported access time > changed. Further experimentation shows, that the reported access time > changes as soon as I use the -t option with ls. As long as I just do ls > -lu, the access time does not change. No, it changes every time you do an ls -l. Yes, this is a bug, but it's a bug in Windows, as old as Windows NT itself. To fetch stat(2)-like meta information on a file, the caller has to open the file (NtOpenFile), read the meta data (NtQueryInformationFile / NtQuerySecurityObject) and close the file again (NtClose). The problem is this: Even if you open the file explicitely with only metadata access rights (READ_CONTROL | FILE_READ_ATTRIBUTES | FILE_READ_EA), the access will count as data access and the file access timestamp will be bumped. Sticking to `fsutil behavior set disablelastaccess 1' works better. Corinna --=20 Corinna Vinschen Please, send mails regarding Cygwin to Cygwin Maintainer cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Red Hat --7iMSBzlTiPOCCT2k Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJY7JP+AAoJEPU2Bp2uRE+gmcwP/3hGlvTNE2FptK900UVEHTue ZqX49bdZSA2ZjVl3pp0/FGzF44tHJDf7QAV9JyKhUUvcFAsIW4viIVGx7eRtnX3N i/joOY4HfeHQCI9SXMBQI9JzjgYmrTeV4Eajn85V7ce5hVDWvgTWkk/as928tYGl +eZbb9cuGaMDGtl447UJHXD/xxA5UjiIMPvATUaxQw30wjT1z1bvvzpoGcCbBDql 7IJ9r/bv7QrSmsPRAbno3obheKvX9jU2r8RT8/SQDu3h5XMtAuhvjomyb7kpXLqi W2tyxR1OXHyTeLF8yKPRqHlfGTYiKLzSaHA+xI+Xoxp614wzVY/wxQstF+G6E/sA bly8wA3tVvdDaWQOYK8Vek0GjpF9B1bauU23F9BmZPgCdz1dyUfzpW02gxBEycQk gjTy1M7iaKU5tl7OKoAEy+0tNi1xg6IgbgLRzLLltLn1NOY/33ruu9fa6uDPx/2v q38n5nO51CmqnrzRcHRYQIrQGmsmSPcxGsK8lYk3r1mm4pCnXWB7SkirT5O9vUWT qqSDEJi5SQOKMCZvC22+7pMQYW1OT9KSVjhY1E0V3JNnemaVuioF+oi4tlSF40vh bxUNiT1iA+4cIToNQC7dvqz2eRC3heL1ZudW3WZkOZ8jRP9bc/zEbD0dUaWnLtyr /kk+Ol14ZcUHdcpRLame =QWtd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --7iMSBzlTiPOCCT2k--