X-Recipient: archive-cygwin AT delorie DOT com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=sourceware.org; h=list-id :list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-archive:list-post :list-help:sender:date:from:to:subject:message-id:reply-to :references:mime-version:content-type:in-reply-to; q=dns; s= default; b=PecIPcQlC8a7Qar1Cmf5mt6O3VGUj9rivko0Lp2fEjxC6ZMr4DNBZ YtTF+2dRwGNqXmu1WpKQa5L4zHhZ+qBjd5xtrHzzn1mF71+oFqLY91EEOqBHg4aK lJm2dg4YpVC58WdNP9qHramfy53qpunYJRxqLjj/vbgzaZNReQqDIY= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=sourceware.org; h=list-id :list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-archive:list-post :list-help:sender:date:from:to:subject:message-id:reply-to :references:mime-version:content-type:in-reply-to; s=default; bh=GWAhTqBaxAC8V4YhR6MTIfMZY3M=; b=GItw68brt03GBqs7o2YOq60GX0uF 2XHbE7XTqCRaW+/5PDspnMqnw/wWPoLXSRJ0WmYWY3AaWU4vdNLFcgrCCYolb0gM E1jDv1V1+Gr8crtMf9FQgOHzEbpYvDOFuqJuH5F3DL5P4jr7FrLGZP/ITmeb/tAy cBgEgQP8IJEBE6g= Mailing-List: contact cygwin-help AT cygwin DOT com; run by ezmlm List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: cygwin-owner AT cygwin DOT com Mail-Followup-To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Delivered-To: mailing list cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; auth=none X-Virus-Found: No X-Spam-SWARE-Status: No, score=-101.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,GOOD_FROM_CORINNA_CYGWIN,KAM_LAZY_DOMAIN_SECURITY,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_HELO_PASS autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 spammy=vista, H*R:D*cygwin.com, kindly, click X-HELO: drew.franken.de Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 10:04:36 +0100 From: Corinna Vinschen To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Subject: Re: WinXP is dead [WAS: 2.6.x: broken compatibility with Wine] Message-ID: <20161110090436.GA6075@calimero.vinschen.de> Reply-To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Mail-Followup-To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com References: <20161110042134 DOT 7411e93fb294a8ea36ae0797 AT e-mail DOT ua> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="dDRMvlgZJXvWKvBx" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20161110042134.7411e93fb294a8ea36ae0797@e-mail.ua> User-Agent: Mutt/1.7.1 (2016-10-04) --dDRMvlgZJXvWKvBx Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Nov 10 04:21, Andrey Gursky wrote: > Hi cyg Simple, >=20 > On 11/9/2016 7:59 AM, Andrey Gursky wrote: > >>=20 > >> P.S. Was it not too early to remove WinXP support? Though it is > >> officially not supported anymore, there are still PCs running WinXP > >> (and Wine). Also there are still systems, I've heard, using some > >> embedded Windows, that shares the same code with WinXP, thus making it > >> not yet truly obsolete. Additionally a lot of work has been done by > >> Cygwin contributors to support this OS and I believe the most of bugs > >> have been workarounded, while due to stopped development it is not > >> likely one has to spend time solving new problems. So was it really > >> worth to drop the hardly crafted code? Are there already some > >> worthwhile advantages? Why wasn't it possible to switch Cygwin WinXP > >> support to just "not officially supported"? (kindly asking) > >=20 > > This has been answered. The problem with supporting XP into infinitude > > is that every application would need to agree to do the same. > > Improvements to the OS API would not be able to be used so there are > > trade-offs for the continued support of an OS that is no longer > > supported. The code becomes unwieldy to maintain because a change needs > > to be tested on other systems. Security maintenance becomes impossible > > because the OS vendor no longer supports the older OS. There is the > > cygwin time machine, USE IT if you need old software for old OS. >=20 > Thanks for your reply (however I haven't received it, because you > likely didn't click on "reply all"?). >=20 > Do you refer to the recent message [1]? >=20 > Regarding cygwin time machine. I can't use it, since cygwin is compiled > for MSYS2. And then it is being run under Wine on GNU/Linux. While > WinXP is still not dead, Wine is definitively not an old OS. It's just > an active project doing WinAPI implementation from scratch according to > documentation. Thus I hope Cygwin developers could talk directly to > Wine ones to find the minimum needed changes in both projects. Ending XP support was announced last year and only a year later we actually dropped it. So we don't support Windows XP anymore, but we *would* support Wine. However, the problem here is not on the Cygwin side. It seems Cygwin under Wine was not tested outside of XP compatibility mode, or Wine doesn't support certain post-XP functions albeit claiming Vista caompatibility. Cygwin doesn't require any functionality which isn't available in Vista. 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