X-Recipient: archive-cygwin AT delorie DOT com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=sourceware.org; h=list-id :list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-archive:list-post :list-help:sender:date:from:reply-to:message-id:to:subject :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; q=dns; s=default; b=DRA/LWv6ZClI5a7q mvBz9PS/KebEPoSrE4nEIFPDPK1LIHtk4F9wqYF/p5hiM8RMUvNZJIc0CiW/5iv3 DEUGlML3o0q6zWl7vTp3QGYuWznUYSCAUVq26dhA2OIFcZ5ixy1J36b3/5yn9i6b NlGpyNAHJ7rGjg0B0QCjFpQHYNo= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=sourceware.org; h=list-id :list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-archive:list-post :list-help:sender:date:from:reply-to:message-id:to:subject :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; s=default; bh=9g+Blx/MFRPfWgYnM/LI1Q kC0OU=; b=AveUpP4ZuYi18HqDC7M3sNFtxtuGC7gFF43JeAG7bZmxJEzZUX/58q iIb1AcjuXNz6lCgAHTcrGrdCpsICiV97D4S9d4kEGV46oXiuWtmWCVM0WZ7W+IYG SEiCDhbB4rUsoc+H7cHgYuBCJOtnqblU1HTFI9Zywkga9Pv3+o/BY= Mailing-List: contact cygwin-help AT cygwin DOT com; run by ezmlm List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: cygwin-owner AT cygwin DOT com Mail-Followup-To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Delivered-To: mailing list cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; auth=none X-Virus-Found: No X-Spam-SWARE-Status: No, score=3.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,BODY_8BITS,FREEMAIL_FROM,GARBLED_BODY,KAM_THEBAT,MIME_BASE64_BLANKS,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=no version=3.3.2 spammy=redirects, UD:microsoft.com, HX-Priority:Normal, UD:ru X-HELO: forward19h.cmail.yandex.net Authentication-Results: smtp1p.mail.yandex.net; dkim=pass header.i=@yandex.ru X-Yandex-ForeignMX: US X-Yandex-Suid-Status: 1 114401,1 0 Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2016 23:20:57 +0300 From: Andrey Repin Reply-To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Message-ID: <1276132483.20161028232057@yandex.ru> To: Evgeny Grin , cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Subject: Re: Windows Subsystem for Linux starts to compete with Cygwin? In-Reply-To: <0b3de073-1be5-248b-19b3-26827947607e@yandex.ru> References: <975bad9f-792c-4be5-ac2a-70c9bbe7efd4 AT yandex DOT ru> <1301901761 DOT 20161027162200 AT yandex DOT ru> <0b3de073-1be5-248b-19b3-26827947607e AT yandex DOT ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-IsSubscribed: yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by delorie.com id u9SKZoTW020075 Greetings, Evgeny Grin! > On 27.10.2016 16:22, Andrey Repin wrote: >> Greetings, Evgeny Grin! > Privet, Андрей! >>> With latest Window Insider preview it's possible to run Linux command >>> from cmd, Windows commands from bash and even use input-output redirects! >>> https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/wsl/2016/10/19/windows-and-ubuntu-interoperability/ >>> Seems that WSL also automatically translate \r\n<->\n. >> >> Which will break a lot of tools not expecting this kind oh "help". > A lot of? > I don't know many... correction.. any GNU/Linux tools that works badly > with \n newlines. I was specifically referring to unexpected conversion, if you didn't notice. >>> Is Cygwin still better for something? >> >> Did they fixed the user mappings? > I don't know as I didn't have any problem with it. As long as you're only user, you won't see it, but try to use it in a multiuser environment. Previously, it was not possible. >>> I understand that WSL and Cygwin are completely different approaches, >>> but from user perspective both are kind of sets of GNU/Linux commands >>> and both are using some intermediate layer (cygwin1.dll or LXSS). >> >> WSL requires Windows 10. End of story. > Do you mean, that Windows itself is a problem? > Or version 10 of Windows is a problem? Anyway, all Windows users will > use Windows 10 (or successors) sooner or later. > So it's only the beginning of the story. This is the same argument I hear over and over again. "suck it up, there's no other choice". There is other choice. -- With best regards, Andrey Repin Friday, October 28, 2016 23:14:23 Sorry for my terrible english...