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Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 21:28:25 +0300
From: Andrey Repin <anrdaemon AT yandex DOT ru>
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Greetings, Warren Young!

> On Apr 13, 2016, at 9:25 AM, Andrey Repin <anrdaemon AT yandex DOT ru> wrote:
>> 
>>> On Apr 12, 2016, at 1:22 PM, Eliot Moss <moss AT cs DOT umass DOT edu> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> It will be interesting to see how they map identities and permissions!
>> 
>>> They don’t map identities at all, a fact that is clear from this presentation:
>>> 
>> In other words, this is a useless bullshit?

> Cygwin didn’t have AD/SAM integration until about a year ago.  So, Cygwin
> was useless until last year, too?

That's not exactly true.
Cygwin did not have direct AD integration, but it did not prevent using it in
AD, and SAM integration is what allowed it. Yes, it wasn't perfect. But it
worked.

> Ubuntu for Windows is as useful today as pre-Cygwin 1.7.34 with a nearly
> empty /etc/passwd file,

Remove "nearly", and you get it right.

> containing only the user’s POSIX UID to Windows SID mapping.  Which is to
> say, not useless at all.

It doesn't work even that far, as has been demonstrated in a nearby thread.

> The fact that it has limitations merely means it isn’t going to wipe Cygwin
> off the map immediately.  When/if Microsoft fixes all the limitations w.r.t. Cygwin, Cygwin is in deep yogurt.

>> No SSHD, no cron, no… nothing?

> sshd is currently broken because they have no pty layer to speak of. 
> Anything else that depends heavily on ptys is broken for the same reason, such as tmux.

> As for cron, I see no reason why that wouldn’t work, at least for a single
> user.  If you mean that you don’t get a system-wide cron service, so you can
> schedule jobs to run as SYSTEM or similar, then yes, I wouldn’t expect that
> to work any time soon, if ever.

I can't schedule cron jobs even as user, if I can't have it running at the
system level.


-- 
With best regards,
Andrey Repin
Thursday, April 14, 2016 21:24:33

Sorry for my terrible english...