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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2016 19:37:39 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Last Version of Cygwin for XP From: Erik Soderquist To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-IsSubscribed: yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by delorie.com id u1D0bvOZ023298 On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 5:42 PM, Warren Young wrote: > On Feb 12, 2016, at 2:58 PM, Erik Soderquist wrote: >> >> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 2:20 PM, Warren Young wrote: >> >>> I hope not. Extended support ended nearly two years ago. >> >> ...why waste the resources on newer (and more bloated) packages? > > The same blade cuts both ways. The small and shrinking percentage > of Cygwin + XP users aren’t worth much resource spent on the Cygwin > side. > > Coat your XP boxes in amber and keep on using them, if you must, > but any updates you still get are pure bonus at this point. I have, my "amber" is the virtual env without network access even possible for them. ;) I've approached the vendor multiple times about Linux support or opensourcing the package, to no avail, and currently I'm studying programming myself now with a direct goal of being able to write a Linux compatible replacement so I can dump my own amber-coated XP >> I get very tired of people consistently implying (or >> outright saying) that not upgrading XP is some form of stupidity or >> insanity. > > Yes, well, when there are still millions of XP-based ATMs out there, > I think I have sufficient justification for reflexive shaming. [1] > > The Home Depot and Target breaches basically came down to > unpatched XP boxes. [2] We heartily agree here, these examples should have had XP replaced _before_ support for XP ran out so there would not have been such a risk. I still question whether nor not reflexive is appropriate. >> Would I trust one of these hosts on the internet at all? > > Of all the XP machines in the world, what percentage have no > reason to be on the Internet in 2016? I would say zero percent as of 2014. > > I suspect there are more cases of low-regard Internet-connected > XP boxes than carefully-firewalled cases like yours: Agreed; I seem to be the "freak" a lot of the time > - grandma’s email machine > - the Steam PC in the kids’ room > - the embedded PC inside the Internet-connected kiosk > - the machine driving the vinyl cutter at Bill’s Sign Shop… > > Since these boxes are likely to end up as hosts for a botnet, > I’m not willing to say it’s just their own lookout. Their disregard > is causing problems for the rest of us. Of these, I think only the vinyl cutter could be salvaged in a way similar to my setup, and the rest, like it or not, need to be upgraded or replaced. Unfortunately, I suspect most users in those scenarios don't know enough about computers in general to understand why they need to be upgraded or replaced. > [1] http://goo.gl/9Zf3pw > [2] http://goo.gl/EJ5tiY keeping these links because they are excellent references -- Erik -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple