X-Recipient: archive-cygwin AT delorie DOT com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=sourceware.org; h=list-id :list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-archive:list-post :list-help:sender:message-id:date:from:mime-version:to:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; q=dns; s=default; b=V6nKW4KO8wSQnVK7eH6VebTsdWIO5kC7zYhlP/VeL/O /yBkJjHZS6P7u7S8+69X0RgHy2jLv8O2wN+KhUBjy7Qip1nN9PTMCjZKQbe8tPim A/JYsUuR733DV3EAhMjGtDbxrcT0bBMkfbO0doMqtqnzH5E95/ndKWOVw+/pTjVc = DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=sourceware.org; h=list-id :list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-archive:list-post :list-help:sender:message-id:date:from:mime-version:to:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=default; bh=V8L5uZAdHlJtbw+WOG7o7b1LMss=; b=M19wupw0oZUteXEx6 6n0VWywj4ggRdldgDqeBGObF/hDzJKQNiNx2smM04rwhcOLNKQ5QuFkEOSXF0u4t 0DGpxRuUdm2rigez2COdrqv10kUdBI5r6gUvToHDwljA1MyuCK7SXM8HjDwSAVo7 xV//YxtTvZXR0OmP7atNFqnCYs= Mailing-List: contact cygwin-help AT cygwin DOT com; run by ezmlm List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: cygwin-owner AT cygwin DOT com Mail-Followup-To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Delivered-To: mailing list cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; auth=none X-Virus-Found: No X-Spam-SWARE-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_20,FREEMAIL_FROM,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 X-HELO: mail-wi0-f177.google.com X-Received: by 10.180.98.1 with SMTP id ee1mr754255wib.86.1432238615962; Thu, 21 May 2015 13:03:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <555E3A14.4080906@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 21 May 2015 22:03:32 +0200 From: Marco Atzeri User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Updated: Tcl/Tk 8.5.18 References: <1432168249 DOT 3408 DOT 16 DOT camel AT cygwin DOT com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-IsSubscribed: yes On 5/21/2015 8:20 PM, Michael Enright wrote: > @Yaakov, many of us have a Cygwin requirement imposed on them for > reasons that maybe even you would argue against. Given that Cygwin > runs in a world where using GDI is economical and using X is costly, > and given that downloading and installing updates is a burden that > seems to grow ever larger as packages sprout dependencies on each > other, I would like to see the emergence of a new consensus that > clarifies to what extent X Windows is important to Cygwin as a whole. > It clearly is important to some programs but is it so essential to the > Cygwin ecosystem that the burden of using X is to be imposed on so > many unwilling Cygwin users? > Dear Michael, please note that in the past we had GDI packages and all of them died as the maintenance burden was not matched by volunteers. The last one, perl-Win32-GUI, is in the same state. On TCL/TK, if I remember right we arrived at a point where it was not possible to compile other packages depending on it; its GDI leg was interfering with the unix root of the rest of cygwin, it was a mess. Going X we cut the knot. If you look at the list of maintainers https://cygwin.com/cygwin-pkg-maint you will notice that it is very very short. Basically: Corinna is handling the cygwin core Yaakov is handlig > 50% of the packages Jon is handling all the X server Achim is handling all perl Ken is handling all texlive Add me, Jary and Volker and we cover ~ 90% of all packages Please consider the additional burden you are asking to the limited maintainers' resources. Regards Marco -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple