X-Recipient: archive-cygwin AT delorie DOT com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=sourceware.org; h=list-id :list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-archive:list-post :list-help:sender:date:from:reply-to:message-id:to:subject :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; q=dns; s=default; b=ESiVgw35rKNbupHP NCRj5eb+s1ixxVXxjxLwftHazeG6XKAT+qOMC6qr+r3Ty3Al9qc+58TUoZfP5yjd r1lJumL87hkwsmwA4UqrOPcRtPDKUpG6TPtz+TRp9TNx651wpq2MgqZgw1hUFsn4 3redPFR7+9uPr/VM255jnFkYHEY= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=sourceware.org; h=list-id :list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-archive:list-post :list-help:sender:date:from:reply-to:message-id:to:subject :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; s=default; bh=XtdCm132QdXG34ia0NLPHT huGAc=; b=QWCrkBu/eTmvjgHnM6R+0P2S5AC+S6GflrD/a/FeijtI2IhZHIwa5s XXPhHJEn0l0Bh5ypjYzX4K/Wf6uLUy9Go+ZTdgZfzZfQTSSiIm8a2IodLE/Dvzk1 4WIl9JBjaLAgNiOFiKzb2jcZjlaszkV+UKux6wAQhP5m6Aa1ZGQP4= Mailing-List: contact cygwin-help AT cygwin DOT com; run by ezmlm List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: cygwin-owner AT cygwin DOT com Mail-Followup-To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Delivered-To: mailing list cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; auth=none X-Virus-Found: No X-Spam-SWARE-Status: No, score=-3.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_50,FREEMAIL_FROM,KAM_THEBAT,SPF_SOFTFAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.2 X-HELO: smtpback.ht-systems.ru Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 05:23:07 +0400 From: Andrey Repin Reply-To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Message-ID: <1434055512.20140622052307@yandex.ru> To: Warren Young , cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Subject: Re: Too many mailing lists In-Reply-To: <53A4A299.6090508@etr-usa.com> References: <53A4A299 DOT 6090508 AT etr-usa DOT com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-IsSubscribed: yes Greetings, Warren Young! > The Cygwin project has too many mailing lists. This causes an > unjustifiable amount of friction. Eh? Wait a second, please. Let me pull my fingers up and count. So far, barring automatic mailing lists like -announce, we have: 1. cygwin (this exact one) A common mailing list for all things Cygwin. Frankly, very, VERY few things are off-topic here. With exception of /X stuff, for which there's a clearly separated, specific list (who you are, if you did not find it from browsing the website?), about everything cygwin-related goes here. 2. cygwin-xfree (for all things related to the version of X on Cygwin) As mentioned above, this is the end point for all things/X that is Cygwin-related. As vast as it can be, not everyone's interested in intricacies of setting up and using X environment under Cygwin. I, for one, don't. 3. cygwin-talk (a non-technical barely-cygwin related list) Smokers' room, if you allow me this association. 4. cygwin-apps (a list for PACKAGE MAINTAINERS) Clearly labelled, this list is for questions about packaging and distribution of applications under cygwin banner. Nobody have any interested in it, except active package maintainers. 5. cygwin-patches This one's going to be missing as soon as the Cygwin repo is migrated to Git, IMO. 6. cygwin-developers I think it's clear from the name. The list for developers of Cygwin itself. 7. cygwin-licensing a list for people who need some lawe. I have no interest in this kind of questions, but I see them popping around every now and then. I don't understand them, but it seems, they are rather important for some people. > Every time someone says "That's not on topic here, go elsewhere," it can > easily be read as "Go away." Every time I remember a reply similar to this, it was not "go elsewhere", but rather "go to ". Which looks far from "go away", to my untrained eye. (Of course, I'm not including the results from late... erm... "discussion"... you know, which one I mean... where it was explicitly stated to "go away", and explained, why.) > The Cygwin project should only be pushing away toxic people, and multiple > mailing lists do not have that happy side effect. I can only see seven lists, of which one is barely cygwin-related, one is unrelated, and three are developers-only mailing lists. What's left? Two lists? Hooray, we have ALOT of two mailing lists, where a question can misdirect! /shame -- WBR, Andrey Repin (anrdaemon AT yandex DOT ru) 22.06.2014, <05:01> Sorry for my terrible english... -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple