X-Recipient: archive-cygwin AT delorie DOT com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=sourceware.org; h=list-id :list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-archive:list-post :list-help:sender:date:from:reply-to:message-id:to:subject :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; q=dns; s=default; b=mGxCIrBaz8YNkUNY mgBkbIZVwUAuxIIkWubvW0exGm+pDMrcauT4fAlNFljZSqc2n3agD73AiaokvC26 xrriZf0yUhFTVlHmx+xLLhvF8/JcLSzoBD1x55/y8uUVjFBB8bMPlmFTLW3GwXuR FqNKeEUoRxPm7+3AkLZsw2PNFKc= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=sourceware.org; h=list-id :list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-archive:list-post :list-help:sender:date:from:reply-to:message-id:to:subject :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; s=default; bh=eZyVh773F6ddrTGnkMkCfm nhRps=; b=Zuoo8wSMZOp8mACDFVp/l0T3sja/IXRluKpP621BHXNmQlDTeRiQQH yeZTIpti0Ox/pbhELwpU1LKV5MiELsc1VvKXXRGgEUlsbH6Jgfri4FGyx2ZreqEE Au/+Uunh2HVzP78xNdrhh3iD7iJ6NRsg91kXgf5Ek6+f6bOvBMHlc= Mailing-List: contact cygwin-help AT cygwin DOT com; run by ezmlm List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: cygwin-owner AT cygwin DOT com Mail-Followup-To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Delivered-To: mailing list cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; auth=none X-Virus-Found: No X-Spam-SWARE-Status: No, score=-3.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_50,FREEMAIL_FROM,KAM_THEBAT,SPF_SOFTFAIL,T_FILL_THIS_FORM_SHORT autolearn=no version=3.3.2 X-HELO: smtpback.ht-systems.ru Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 00:56:46 +0400 From: Andrey Repin Reply-To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Message-ID: <406223272.20140313005646@yandex.ru> To: Corinna Vinschen Subject: Re: Please stop sending email to ... In-Reply-To: <20140312120946.GK8066@calimero.vinschen.de> References: <20140311212550 DOT GA2208 AT ednor DOT casa DOT cgf DOT cx> <1394581356734-107040 DOT post AT n5 DOT nabble DOT com> <20140312015352 DOT GB2283 AT ednor DOT casa DOT cgf DOT cx> <1382539932 DOT 20140312154311 AT yandex DOT ru> <20140312120946 DOT GK8066 AT calimero DOT vinschen DOT de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-IsSubscribed: yes Greetings, Corinna Vinschen! >> >>> I know that this is a pointless exercise but I'll say it anyway: people >> >>> who think that they can have a private chat with Corinna or Larry by >> >>> sending email to what seem to be their private email addresses will just >> >>> show up in the spam trap, possibly even causing spamassassin to think >> >>> that they are a spammer. >> >>> >> >>> We mention in multiple places that cygwin-related issues should go to >> >>> this list. So, please don't bother trying to send private email unless >> >>> you've been specifically asked to do so. You'll also be doing me a >> >>> favor because I won't have to spend time cleaning out the spam traps. >> >> >> >>Well, here goes nothing. >> >> >> >>I am happy to admit that I'm one of those persons. The problem is >> >>exactly that what you claim we "should do" versus what is actually >> >>possible to do. If any of the list maintainers had actually bothered >> >>to try to register to these email lists, you would probably have found >> >>out that your spam filters are set so high, that it is impossible for >> >>normal people to even register to these lists! >> >> > FYI, The Cygwin list has 1212 subscribers with 89 new joiners since >> > January 1. I'm the "list maintainer" and I'm obviously registered. >> > The same software that handles Cygwin also handles gcc.gnu.org and >> > sourceware.org. There are many other mailing lists under those >> > domains, and some of them have even more subscribers. >> >> The point was, it's nowhere mentioned, who to contact in case of list issues. >> Not in list mail headers, neither on list's mailman web page. >> I've had multiple mails blocked for containing "foreign language" (how can I >> help? It's Microsoft smarts to translate group names to make everyone >> unhappy), and I multiple times tried to find the address to appeal to. To no >> avail. >> Yes, I vaguely recalled, that there supposed to be "-owner" address, >> but it's only my poor memory. How can I trust her without confirmation? > On the other hand, the "postmaster" account exists everywhere... Not to argue, but postmaster is often not the right person to contact mailing list owner. Now, given proper explanation, I realize this is not the case for cygwin mailing list, and I've already pinned Christopher's message for future reference. -- WBR, Andrey Repin (anrdaemon AT yandex DOT ru) 12.03.2014, <23:32> Sorry for my terrible english... -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple