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Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 11:29:44 -0400
From: Christopher Faylor <cgf-use-the-mailinglist-please AT cygwin DOT com>
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Subject: Re: BLODA extension: console interoperability
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On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 04:07:55PM +0400, Pavel Fedin wrote:
> Hello!
>
>> I don't think that's fair, since such apps were designed for the
>> Windows console, without being aware of Cygwin's pipe-based ptys. And
>> unfortunately that list would be very long anyway: basically anything
>> interactive that hasn't been explicitly adapted to Cygwin ptys
>
> Let me also drop my 5 cents into this...
>We should be very careful about this.  At least there is one case where
>difference between Cygwin console and real Windows console plays a key
>role: ncurses.  Normal Windows console is very basic and does not
>understand 90% of control sequences.  As a result, ncurses has been
>extended with 'terminal drivers', which redirect certain control
>functions to OS (Windows in our case) API calls.  Which, of course,
>work only with real Windows console.

The "console" that a Cygwin program sees is not just the raw Windows
console.  Hopefully the Cygwin version of ncurses understands that
Cygwin extends the functionality of the console so that a big subset of
standard control sequences will just work.

cgf

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