X-Recipient: archive-cygwin AT delorie DOT com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=sourceware.org; h=list-id :list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-archive:list-post :list-help:sender:date:from:to:subject:message-id:reply-to :references:mime-version:content-type:in-reply-to; q=dns; s= default; b=Qmp3ekATscUzSwsZNi6/wLnEt3B31UJANIxXxR13wkJ0cOzkpCY43 ebg+luXgbJ4GTBgP3hLAomJbtkZc4cnPlkRmJDhFOlFG51OKagrjuZTrBCyEyT2H Q/5Zu+sHEHlNpTjD+6KEMAoI+ptFRBmoh+qmPzc48sIZzP6jkzrqJY= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=sourceware.org; h=list-id :list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-archive:list-post :list-help:sender:date:from:to:subject:message-id:reply-to :references:mime-version:content-type:in-reply-to; s=default; bh=85XIzRp729wQB3mbY3fmtj3YZB0=; b=hoF3ugTd/Mc4nM3C1OXPatLQ8AQd 9Y//a2/f5/36TUFpySrnOv07oad7TJTq0/7RysCj72cE3/jHhAPCERmQv9srBAyn jKcMa9WK2jiEWSGmF5smNKdQlbueqGhUQ/+LMtpad4bf4ntxQzDiO+0kYyPIa/L/ b1tIFM6I4qoJBSM= Mailing-List: contact cygwin-help AT cygwin DOT com; run by ezmlm List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: cygwin-owner AT cygwin DOT com Mail-Followup-To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Delivered-To: mailing list cygwin AT cygwin DOT com X-Spam-SWARE-Status: No, score=3.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_50,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,RCVD_IN_HOSTKARMA_YE,RDNS_NONE,TO_NO_BRKTS_PCNT autolearn=no version=3.3.1 X-Mail-Handler: Dyn Standard SMTP by Dyn X-Report-Abuse-To: abuse AT dyndns DOT com (see http://www.dyndns.com/services/sendlabs/outbound_abuse.html for abuse reporting information) X-MHO-User: U2FsdGVkX1/uUh0LBt+BefHRpsvZiOnT Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 11:29:44 -0400 From: Christopher Faylor To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Subject: Re: BLODA extension: console interoperability Message-ID: <20130726152944.GD4495@ednor.casa.cgf.cx> Reply-To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Mail-Followup-To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com References: <51F1A863 DOT 8060403 AT etr-usa DOT com> <51F1AF90 DOT 3080409 AT cygwin DOT com> <51F1F7B4 DOT 4060202 AT etr-usa DOT com> <003601ce89f8$c3845f10$4a8d1d30$%fedin AT samsung DOT com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <003601ce89f8$c3845f10$4a8d1d30$%fedin@samsung.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 04:07:55PM +0400, Pavel Fedin wrote: > Hello! > >> I don't think that's fair, since such apps were designed for the >> Windows console, without being aware of Cygwin's pipe-based ptys. And >> unfortunately that list would be very long anyway: basically anything >> interactive that hasn't been explicitly adapted to Cygwin ptys > > Let me also drop my 5 cents into this... >We should be very careful about this. At least there is one case where >difference between Cygwin console and real Windows console plays a key >role: ncurses. Normal Windows console is very basic and does not >understand 90% of control sequences. As a result, ncurses has been >extended with 'terminal drivers', which redirect certain control >functions to OS (Windows in our case) API calls. Which, of course, >work only with real Windows console. The "console" that a Cygwin program sees is not just the raw Windows console. Hopefully the Cygwin version of ncurses understands that Cygwin extends the functionality of the console so that a big subset of standard control sequences will just work. cgf -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple