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Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 21:23:07 -0400
From: Christopher Faylor <cgf-use-the-mailinglist-please AT cygwin DOT com>
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Subject: Re: Password prompts for remote system echoing and not attaching
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On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 04:41:38PM -0700, Andrew DeFaria wrote:
>On 8/29/2012 1:12 PM, Earnie Boyd wrote:
>> Yes, if you prefer to use the Cygwin terminal you must use a Cygwin
>> client.  But you have a choice to use the native terminal with a
>> Cygwin shell and native ftp client.  You could also do the following
>> if you prefer the Cygwin terminal but do not want the Cygwin ftp
>> client.
>>
>> cmd /c start ftp
>>
>> Which will open a native terminal with the ftp client waiting for input.
>I've been wanting to bring this up for quite some time. I'm well aware 
>of the problem with ptys that cause such problems. For example, when in 
>a mintty terminal (or after having ssh'ed into Cygwin, etc.) when ptys 
>are in use, programs like cleartool (from IBM/Rational Clearcase) and 
>even Windows ftp, will not display a prompt and do things like not turn 
>off echo properly thus echoing the password in the clear. Try running 
>Windows ftp and give it no parms at all. It'll appear to be hung however 
>if you type quit and return you get your prompt back.
>
>And nobody really like the dumb windows console window.
>
>But I found a terminal emulator that works well. It's called Console 
><http://sourceforge.net/projects/console/>. It behaves much like mintty, 
>doing copy and paste correctly, handling window resizing and even does 
>transparency! And in some way this guy (Marko Bozikovic 
>http://sourceforge.net/users/bozho) managed to solve the problem of ptys 
>(maybe just because he doesn't use them). So if you want a pretty good 
>terminal emulator to use instead of mintty that provides similar 
>functionality but doesn't have the "pty problem" you might try Console.

This emulator has been mentioned several times in the past.  I've
suggested that we could use similar techniques in Cygwin for emulating
ptys.  It's just a lot of work.

cgf

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