X-Recipient: archive-cygwin AT delorie DOT com X-SWARE-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,KHOP_THREADED,SPF_HELO_PASS,T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD X-Spam-Check-By: sourceware.org To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com From: Andrew DeFaria Subject: Re: Is the Latest Release of Cygwin supported on Windows Server 8/2012 Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 10:34:35 -0700 Lines: 36 Message-ID: References: <000601cd351f$da0e4900$8e2adb00$@motionview3d.com> <004901cd3775$b5396030$1fac2090$@motionview3d.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 In-Reply-To: <004901cd3775$b5396030$1fac2090$@motionview3d.com> X-IsSubscribed: yes Mailing-List: contact cygwin-help AT cygwin DOT com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: cygwin-owner AT cygwin DOT com Mail-Followup-To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Delivered-To: mailing list cygwin AT cygwin DOT com On 5/21/2012 10:18 AM, James Johnston wrote: > And there is not a single user who will notice or care that the second > example has a larger 64-bit image by a few hundred KB larger. 64-bit > Intel architecture instructions aren't necessarily twice the width as > 32-bit architecture instructions. I'm not sure how you can say this. There are people who do care and do notice. So instead of using absolutes (there is not a single user) implying without exception you should use something like "Most users will not notice or care". >> Small is beautiful. > In general I agree; controlling the bloat is a worthwhile (and needed) activity for some apps. But for me, bloat due to 64-bit compilation is worth it. And for others...? > I have enough RAM that I can fit images into physical memory, and then the runtime improvements of 64-bit can kick in (faster, more address space). I would not mind it at all if every image on my Windows PC could be 64-bit! App crashing due to address space exhaustion in 32-bit apps is not something I enjoy dealing with. > > I've got 6 GB RAM on my work computer, and that's usually plenty; the only time it understandably slows down is when using multiple virtual machines. In my line of work I (unfortunately) often have to run up to 3 JVMs at a time. Thunderbird takes a chunk (I think Lightning leaks memory) as does Chrome. Hell Chrome takes most of it. I often get to the point of addressing exceptions and even crashes of apps and protestations of "Out of memory". I have 4 gig of memory. IMHO it's the thinking of "Well hell we have tons of memory/disk/whatever. Why don't we waste it?" which eventually causes the mentality of "don't worry about it" that leads to bloating. In any event, I remain unconvinced that a 64 bit Cygwin is required or necessary or even worth it at this time. The only argument even 1/2 way compelling is your statement that there are some Windows server editions that lack the 32-bit subsystem. I was unaware that that was even happening and it is the first time I've heard of it. Anyway I think I'm done with this topic. -- Andrew DeFaria Is it true that cannibals don't eat clowns because they taste funny? -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple