X-Recipient: archive-cygwin AT delorie DOT com X-Spam-Check-By: sourceware.org Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 19:23:28 +0200 From: Corinna Vinschen To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Subject: Re: cygwin started speaking German today Message-ID: <20111010172328.GF30156@calimero.vinschen.de> Reply-To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Mail-Followup-To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com References: <4E6F7AA1 DOT 4090808 AT redhat DOT com> <20111004122837 DOT GA27229 AT calimero DOT vinschen DOT de> <4E8B0007 DOT 5020500 AT cwilson DOT fastmail DOT fm> <20111004142920 DOT GA15757 AT calimero DOT vinschen DOT de> <4E8B4A86 DOT 5000607 AT xs4all DOT nl> <20111004182042 DOT GA22299 AT calimero DOT vinschen DOT de> <4E8C7FFB DOT 6060707 AT xs4all DOT nl> <20111005162714 DOT GA14661 AT calimero DOT vinschen DOT de> <4E8C948D DOT 4070707 AT cwilson DOT fastmail DOT fm> <4E8CA0AF DOT 50805 AT cornell DOT edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4E8CA0AF.50805@cornell.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Mailing-List: contact cygwin-help AT cygwin DOT com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: cygwin-owner AT cygwin DOT com Mail-Followup-To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Delivered-To: mailing list cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Chuck, ping? On Oct 5 14:23, Ken Brown wrote: > On 10/5/2011 1:31 PM, Charles Wilson wrote: > >On 10/5/2011 12:27 PM, Corinna Vinschen wrote: > >>On Oct 5 18:04, Erwin Waterlander wrote: > >>>Op 4-10-2011 20:20, Corinna Vinschen schreef: > >>>>On Oct 4 20:03, Erwin Waterlander wrote: > >>>>>By the way, I noticed that with the default locale C.UTF-8 the > >>>>>nl_langinfo(CODESET) C function returns wrongly > >>>>>"ISO-8859-1", > >>>>Not for me: > >>>>[...] > >>> > >>>My program (wcd) uses gettext/libintl. Libintl is causing the > >>>effect. Libintl is not working properly with a locale C.UTF-8. That > >>>is a serious problem. > >> > >>That's a bug in libintl8 0.18.1.1-1. It does not happen with the > >>previous version 0.17-11. Hopefully this gets fixed ASAP. > > [...] > > >The other is the issue that spawned this thread, which raised questions > >about how basefiles::/etc/profile.d/lang.{sh,csh} should behave, and > >other related complexities. IIRC we reached an impasse with this > >subthread (and replies): > >http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2011-09/msg00063.html > > > >See also the various messages in this thread, during the last day or two. > > > >So...I'm rather stuck. I can't fix anything if we don't have a plan for > >what the desired behavior IS. Right now, we all (except for Bruno!) > >agree that $current_behavior is bad. But how exactly to fix it -- and > >whether to do so in opposition to Bruno, the actual libintl maintainer > >-- is still an open question. > > I think you're mixing two questions that should be kept separate. > The first is how /etc/profile.d/lang.{sh,csh} should set LANG. > That's a question that the Cygwin developers and/or base-files > maintainer need to decide. The second is whether libintl should > override Cygwin's locale settings. Isn't the answer clearly no? > Why can't this be fixed (in opposition to Bruno, if necessary) > before a final decision is made about /etc/profile.d/lang.{sh,csh}? > > I don't recall any complaints from Cygwin users about C.UTF-8 being > the default, but there have already been several complaints about > the new behavior of libintl. This is *really* annoying behaviour. Right now the gawk testsuite fails, because libintl thinks it has to use the german language, even though $LANG is set to C.UTF-8. What's even more annoying is the fact that it's not sufficient to revert libintl8 to 0.17-11, but you also have to revert gettext-devel to 0.17-11 *and* recompile gawk, because the 0.18.1 version redefines setlocale to libintl_setlocale. The effect is that applications built against 0.18 don't run with the 0.17 DLL. Thus, if you don't have control over the binary (aka "normal Cygwin user"), you can not even revert to libintl8 0.17-11, because that may break newly built applications. Please consider to provide a new libintl/gettext without this bug soon. Thanks, Corinna -- Corinna Vinschen Please, send mails regarding Cygwin to Cygwin Project Co-Leader cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Red Hat -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple